Quote# 130438

Alright, I will give my honest thoughts on this, this is just my perspective even if you might think it's insane, edgy, or immoral. Frankly, I think that there are situations where the killing of civilians is justifiable. I would like to thank OP for not using the word, "Innocents" because such a word is debatable just how innocent someone may be just because they're not actively physically fighting.

We live in a world where people can be violent without literal physical violence, a wealthy man can steal the surplus of a worker's labor and be supported by the State in doing so. A person, especially in these days, can incite racial hatred and violence just by using a desktop computer or writing a racist book, an article. Just because someone's a civilian doesn't necessarily make them innocent.

Revolutions, especially in the modern world, aren't fought just with weapons, but with thoughts, ideas, opinions. Changing the public perception of Communism can turn a group of freedom fighters into terrorists, it can turn a gang of racist thugs into defenders of liberty. It can turn civil rights abuses into lasting security. It would be foolish of a true revolutionary to ignore the psychological warfare aspect of Revolution.

Frankly, I am fine with killing civilians if they are harming the proletariat or the Revolution. If you are a racist, sexist, classist, etc. than that alone means you're fair game in my book, whether you're taking up arms or not. By the virtue of you being alive and spouting your bigotry, you are harming minorities, you are harming the working class, and you're not welcome in the world to come. You are supporting our enemies with your opinions that you spread, with the money you likely donate, and with your approval of the status quo.

I know that sounds harsh, but the fact is, you're either with us, against us, or you get out of the way entirely. If you're with us, you'll get in touch with us, you can be an informant, you can provide refuge for revolutionaries on the bounce, you can provide food, do your part. Heck, you could even become a revolutionary yourself if you're up for it.

If you're against us, you can consider yourself a walking corpse, you've made the wrong choice. You're fair game for us, expect no mercy. If you support conservatism, capitalism, fascism, etc. if you're snitching for the cops, or you are a cop, you better watch your step. You, your property, your everything is fair game. I'm sure you're cutting yourself on all this edge right now, but revolution is revolution, no successful revolution has ever been clean. I expect our enemies definitely won't show us an ounce of mercy, so we're returning the favor.

If you get out of the way entirely, you better beat feet fast. Take a hike, Mike, get out of the area entirely, move somewhere else because you're not welcome here. I suspect many of the second category will end up in this category if they don't end up ten feet underground first. I bet once Wall Street is turned into a smoking pyre it'll be like cockroaches in a kitchen when the lights turn on.

That's pretty much the gist of it. The system is built that only violent means can destroy it, therefore we need to be violent, and we need to be violent well. Because if we're not, then we'll lose, and we'll lose our chance. We live in an inherently violent system that oppresses millions, action is necessary, and action there will be.

[deleted], r/CapitalismVSocialism 20 Comments [8/11/2017 2:35:38 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 2131

I have a dear Mormon friend and I pray he comes to understand he's believing in a lie. But Mormonism is so ingrained--it's a culture, a way of life--it's hard to get away from.

mrshoward, Rapture Ready 14 Comments [1/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 130365

I'd happily force-feed a vegan steak, even force them to skin a baby rabbit alive at gunpoint if I had a gun, to toughen them up.

Randomosaur, FSTDT 28 Comments [8/10/2017 3:23:36 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 124187

God intended procreation to be simply something that was done, much like with animals. Satan, however, convinced Eve to eat of the forbidden fruit and Eve convinced Adam to eat of it. Thus, original sin was born, and immediately after the sin was committed, Adam and Eve knew good and evil much like God. The first thing that happened was that they became ashamed of their nakedness, and God gave them a covering. This shows that they then knew the evils of lust, and the ramifications it would have on them. A lust for the flesh is punishable by death according to God (Leviticus 20:10) and Christ condemns it (Matthew 5:28) and Paul says it is better for a man not to marry and abide as Christ did. (I Corinthians 7:8) Despite all of these Scriptures condemning this unholy abomination, humanity has degenerated to the point that lust is not only acceptable but encouraged in the public sphere. Self image and worth has become based on nothing more than a contest of personal appearance, and people are so enamored in such vile sin that they will openly fornicate and talk of intentions to fornicate, thus bringing back the evil cities of Sodom and Gomorrah worldwide. They say that it is perfectly normal and natural, but this is a lie of Satan.

Elvis is King, RationalWiki 15 Comments [2/2/2017 2:19:55 PM]
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Quote# 58646

“Science” that contradicts Scripture is of Satan, as is those who push it.

ToGodBeTheGlory, Free Republic 42 Comments [2/14/2009 12:44:43 AM]
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Submitted By: Ivy Mike

Quote# 38200

I'll put it this way. If my wife and I died, I would much rather have my daughter stay in an orphanage than have her adopted by a gay couple.

MercyBurst, CF 47 Comments [4/25/2008 9:36:48 PM]
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Submitted By: TheLee

Quote# 130436

Just like the well-practiced human ‘sacrificers’ of yore – like the Aztecs who brought their children for the appeasement of the gods – our culture too now sacrifices their children for the appeasement of the gods, all in the name of progressivism.

ACLJ.org, ACLJ 15 Comments [8/11/2017 2:17:37 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 130435

Military transgender funding is unconstitutional.

Jake MacAulay, BarbWire 15 Comments [8/11/2017 2:16:38 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 130393

I'm Gay and I Oppose Same-Sex Marriage

While religion and tradition have led many to their positions on same-sex marriage, it’s also possible to oppose same-sex marriage based on reason and experience.

“I know in my heart that man is good, that what is right will always eventually triumph, and there is purpose and worth to each and every life.” These words, spoken by Ronald Reagan in 1991, are framed on the wall above my desk. As a gay man, I’ve adopted them as my own, as I’ve entered the national discussion on same-sex marriage.

I wholeheartedly support civil unions for gay and lesbian couples, but I am opposed to same-sex marriage. Because activists have made marriage, rather than civil unions, their goal, I am viewed by many as a self-loathing, traitorous gay. So be it. I prefer to think of myself as a reasoning, intellectually honest human being.

The notion of same-sex marriage is implausible, yet political correctness has made stating the obvious a risky business. Genderless marriage is not marriage at all. It is something else entirely.

Opposition to same-sex marriage is characterized in the media, at best, as clinging to “old-fashioned” religious beliefs and traditions, and at worst, as homophobia and hatred.

I’ve always been careful to avoid using religion or appeals to tradition as I’ve approached this topic. And with good reason: Neither religion nor tradition has played a significant role in forming my stance. But reason and experience certainly have.

Learning from Experience

As a young man, I wasn’t strongly inclined toward marriage or fatherhood, because I knew only homosexual desire.

I first recognized my strong yearning for men at age eight, when my parents took me to see The Sound of Music. While others marveled at the splendor of the Swiss Alps displayed on the huge Cinerama screen, I marveled at the uniformed, blond-haired Rolfe, who was seventeen going on eighteen. That proclivity, once awakened, never faded.

During college and throughout my twenties, I had many close friends who were handsome, athletic, and intelligent, with terrific personalities. I longed to have an intimate relationship with any and all of them. However, I enjoyed something far greater, something which surpassed carnality in every way: philia (the love between true friends)—a love unappreciated by so many because eros is promoted in its stead.

I wouldn’t have traded the quality of my relationships with any of these guys for an opportunity to engage in sex. No regrets. In fact, I always felt like the luckiest man on the planet. Denial didn't diminish or impoverish my life. It made my life experience richer.

Philia love between men is far better, far stronger, and far more fulfilling than erotic love can ever be. But society now promotes the lowest form of love between men while sabotaging the higher forms. Gay culture continues to promote the sexualization of all (viewing one’s self and other males primarily as sexual beings), while proving itself nearly bankrupt when it comes to fostering any other aspect of male/male relationships.

When all my friends began to marry, I began to seriously consider marriage for the first time. The motive of avoiding social isolation may not have been the best, but it was the catalyst that changed the trajectory of my life. Even though I had to repress certain sexual desires, I found marriage to be extremely rewarding.

My future bride and I first met while singing in a youth choir. By the time I popped the question, we had become the very best of friends. “Soul mates” is the term we used to describe each other.

After a couple of years of diligently trying to conceive, doctors informed us we were infertile, so we sought to adopt. That became a long, arduous, heartbreaking process. We ultimately gave up. I had mixed emotions—disappointment tempered by relief.

Out of the blue, a couple of years after we resigned ourselves to childlessness, we were given the opportunity to adopt.

A great shock came the day after we brought our son home from the adoption agency. While driving home for lunch, I was suddenly overcome with such emotion that I had to pull the car off to the side of the road. Never in my life had I experienced such pure, distilled joy and sense of purpose. I kept repeating, “I’m a dad,” over and over again. Nothing else mattered. I knew exactly where I fit in within this huge universe. When we brought home his brother nearly two years later, I was prepared: I could not wait to take him up in my arms and declare our kinship and my unconditional love and irrevocable responsibility for him.

Neither religion nor tradition turned me into a dedicated father. It was something wonderful from within—a great strength that has only grown with time. A complete surprise of the human spirit. In this way and many others, marriage—my bond with the mother of my children—has made me a much better person, a person I had no idea I had the capacity to become.

Intellectual Honesty and Surprise Conclusions

Unfortunately, a few years later my marriage ended—a pain known too easily by too many. At this point, the divorce allowed me to explore my homosexuality for the first time in my life.

At first, I felt liberated. I dated some great guys, and was in a couple of long-term relationships. Over several years, intellectual honesty led me to some unexpected conclusions: (1) Creating a family with another man is not completely equal to creating a family with a woman, and (2) denying children parents of both genders at home is an objective evil. Kids need and yearn for both.

It took some doing, but after ten years of divorce, we began to pull our family back together. We have been under one roof for over two years now. Our kids are happier and better off in so many ways. My ex-wife, our kids, and I recently celebrated Thanksgiving and Christmas together and agreed these were the best holidays ever.

Because of my predilections, we deny our own sexual impulses. Has this led to depressing, claustrophobic repression? No. We enjoy each other’s company immensely. It has actually led to psychological health and a flourishing of our family. Did we do this for the sake of tradition? For the sake of religion? No. We did it because reason led us to resist selfish impulses and to seek the best for our children.

And wonderfully, she and I continue to regard each other as “soul mates” now, more than ever.

Over the last couple of years, I’ve found our decision to rebuild our family ratified time after time. One day as I turned to climb the stairs I saw my sixteen-year-old son walk past his mom as she sat reading in the living room. As he did, he paused and stooped down to kiss her and give her a hug, and then continued on. With two dads in the house, this little moment of warmth and tenderness would never have occurred. My varsity-track-and-football-playing son and I can give each other a bear hug or a pat on the back, but the kiss thing is never going to happen. To be fully formed, children need to be free to generously receive from and express affection to parents of both genders. Genderless marriages deny this fullness.

There are perhaps a hundred different things, small and large, that are negotiated between parents and kids every week. Moms and dads interact differently with their children. To give kids two moms or two dads is to withhold from them someone whom they desperately need and deserve in order to be whole and happy. It is to permanently etch “deprivation” on their hearts.

Rich Versus Diminished Lives

Sexuality is fluid for many, and much more complex than many want to acknowledge. Gay and straight activists alike pretend this isn’t true in order to fortify their positions. If they fail to maintain that mirage, fundraising for their organizations might dry up, as would the requests for television and radio interviews. Yet the “B” in the middle of “LGBT” acknowledges an important reality concerning our human sexuality.

Here’s a very sad fact of life that never gets portrayed on Glee or Modern Family: I find that men I know who have left their wives as they’ve come out of the closet often lead diminished, and in some cases nearly bankrupt, lives—socially, familially, emotionally, and intellectually. They adjust their entire view of the world and their role within it in order to accommodate what has become the dominant aspect of their lives: their homosexuality. In doing so, they trade rich lives for one-dimensional lives. Yet this is what our post-modern world has taught us to do. I went along with it for a long while, but slowly turned back when I witnessed my life shrinking and not growing.

What Now?

In our day, prejudice against gays is just a very faint shadow of what it once was. But the abolition of prejudice against gays does not necessarily mean that same-sex marriage is inevitable or optimal. There are other avenues available, none of which demands immediate, sweeping, transformational legislation or court judgments.

We are in the middle of a fierce battle that is no longer about rights. It is about a single word, “marriage.”

Two men or two women together is, in truth, nothing like a man and a woman creating a life and a family together. Same-sex relationships are certainly very legitimate, rewarding pursuits, leading to happiness for many, but they are wholly different in experience and nature.

Gay and lesbian activists, and more importantly, the progressives urging them on, seek to redefine marriage in order to achieve an ideological agenda that ultimately seeks to undefine families as nothing more than one of an array of equally desirable “social units,” and thus open the door to the increase of government’s role in our lives.

And while same-sex marriage proponents suggest that the government should perhaps just stay out of their private lives, the fact is, now that children are being engineered for gay and lesbian couples, a process that involves multiple other adults who have potential legal custody claims on these children, the potential for government’s involvement in these same-sex marriage households is staggering.

Solomon only had to split the baby in two. In the future, judges may have to decide how to split children into three, four, or five equal pieces. In Florida, a judge recently ordered that the birth certificate of a child must show a total of three parents—a lesbian couple and a gay man (the sperm-providing hairdresser of one of the lesbian moms). Expect much more of this to come.

Statists see great value in slowly chipping away at the bedrock of American culture: faith and family life. The more that traditional families are weakened in our daily experience by our laws, the more that government is able to freely insert itself into our lives in an authoritarian way. And it will.

Mark Regnerus, a sociologist at the University of Texas at Austin, recently said, “I think you can have social stability without many intact families, but it’s going to be really expensive and it's going to look very ‘Huxley-Brave New World-ish.’ So [the intact family is] not only the optimal scenario … but it’s the cheapest. How often in life do you get the best and the cheapest in the same package?”

Marriage is not an elastic term. It is immutable. It offers the very best for children and society. We should not adulterate nor mutilate its definition, thereby denying its riches to current and future generations.

Doug Mainwaring, The Public Discourse 25 Comments [8/10/2017 3:35:38 PM]
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Quote# 130426

If so called "transwomen" are real women then why don't they date each other instead of demanding sex from actual lesbians? Is it because they know that they are actually males who just want access to female bodies and spaces?

When you buy into the transgender fad, you are buying into the whole conservative gender role meme. "Boys like blue and cars and fighting while girls like pink and lipstick and make up and high heels. So if your interests do not coincide with your societal determined gender role, you must be transgender." The whole thing is stupid and arbitrary. In the past men wore high heels. In Scotland men wear skirts. What is considered a gender role is socially constructed and varies from time to time and place to place. If you are a boy who likes to wear make up....that is actually fine. Just be yourself. There is no need to cut your penis off or invade the women's restroom.

Please check out GallusMag's GenderTrender blog (google it)....all I ask is that you read it with an open mind.

Anonymous commenter, FSTDT 20 Comments [8/11/2017 12:56:39 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 130358

An exclusive Christian private school in a wealthy suburb of Nashville is accused of covering-up up the repeated sexual assaults of a 12-year-old boy.

The Brentwood Academy is being sued for $60 million for allowing four eighth-grade bullies to repeatedly sexually assault a sixth-grade student, the Tennessean reports.

The lawsuit was filed by the mother of the victim.

Four male students are alleged to have “conspired to engage in male on male sexual harassment, sexual assault and/or rape upon John Doe in the locker room not supervised by an adult,” according to the lawsuit. “(The boy) would place his penis before John Doe and forcibly penetrated it into the mouth of Plaintiff John Doe without consenting claiming ‘eat it, eat it, eat it, open your mouth, accept it.'”

The same student is alleged to have bragged he “f—ed that boy up the ass and stuck a Gatorade bottle in him.”

Brentwood Academy Headmaster Curtis G. Masters allegedly told the victim to “turn the other cheek” and that, “everything in God’s kingdom happens for a reason.”

The headmaster allegedly said he considered the allegations to be “boys being boys and he could not investigate each of those and run a school.”

When the victim’s mother wanted to report the sexual assault to law enforcement, former Brentwood employee Chris Roberts — the victim’s counselor at Daystar Counseling — allegedly responded, “this isn’t how Christian institutions handle these things.”

“In addition to Masters, middle school director Nancy Brasher, administrator and middle school athletic director Buddy Alexander, assistant basketball coach Lyle Husband and sixth grade basketball coach Mike Vazquez, who is also Masters’ son-in-law, are named as individual defendants in the suit,” the Tennessean explained.

The school’s motto is, “Vivat Veritas” (Let Truth Prevail).

Brentwood Academy, Raw Story 20 Comments [8/10/2017 12:02:45 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 130427

Conservative. It's ironic how we call liberals liberals when they're against liberty. Their ideology boils down to the government pushing the little guy from the front and turning a blind eye to criminals so they can push the little guy from the back. Their fantastically convoluted sophisms justify the common folk being crushed in-between criminal bureaucrats and street criminals in the eyes of the naive and feeble-minded. It's all for the common good they say. There's no other way they say. And if you disagree they jump at your throat like rabbid dogs. Sometimes it's metaphorical and they poison the well by accusing you of every villainy before you can even present your argument. Other times it's literal and they silence you with violence. Liberalism simply can't stand against conservatism in a honest debate.

Nichtubermorgen, Kongregate - Off Topic 8 Comments [8/11/2017 12:56:46 PM]
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Quote# 130333

The article title is "Should Light-Skinned People of Color Voluntarily Exclude Ourselves from People of Color Spaces?"

Wouldn’t it be amazing if you could get all the cool stuff that Black, Indigenous and People of Color (BIPOC) get? Like…

Richly artistic cultures that have been setting trends in music, dance, art, and fashion for hundreds of years
Ancient and powerful cultural and spiritual practices passed down through generations
Seasoned food

Without all the problems like…

Disproportionate incarceration and extrajudicial murder
Higher incidence of low self-esteem, depression, and suicide
Decreased life expectancy

There is a way to get lots of the good stuff and avoid lots (but not all) of the bad stuff!

It’s called being light-skinned or white-passing!

Really though. Don’t get mad, my fellow light-skinned and white-passing BIPOC. I’m not saying that we don’t face many of the same problems as other BIPOC. But it’s ridiculous to deny the fact that our experiences are easier than darker-skinned people’s.

There are too many concrete statistics to the contrary.

To be fair, us light-skinned and white-passing people cannot just snap our fingers and nullify colorism. We cannot return our privilege to the Privilege Store.

But, there are some things we can do to address our privilege, like not automatically assuming that we are entitled to be in all BIPOC spaces all the time.
Are Separate Spaces Based on Race Racist?

Dig, if you will, the picture:

A group of gazelles gathers by the watering hole to strategize about how to avoid being eaten by lions. Also just to kick it and admire each other’s stripes and horns.

A group of lions gathers on the plains to strategize about how to catch and eat gazelles more effectively. Also, just to play a round of golf and talk about wealth management.

Lions find out about gazelles gathering together and get very upset, calling the gazelle’s separatist meeting unfair and reverse speciesist. They demand that lions be able to attend gazelle meetings!

After all, aren’t gazelles allowed to attend lion meetings? It’s just a coincidence that gazelles who attend lion meetings sometimes get mauled and eaten.

You think I’m being funny but I’m not.

See, the way that this society is set up, Black, Indigenous and People of Color — especially those who are Black and Brown with darker skin tones — spend an inordinate amount of time trying to avoid the dangers of racism that are instigated by white people.

Meanwhile, the reaction of your typical white person to BIPOC expressing the levels of anxiety and terror they must manage while navigating emotionally, economically and physically violent white supremacist spaces is ¯\_(?)_/¯.

Pop Quiz!

In this context ¯\_(?)_/¯ means:

IDGAF
Hands thrown up incredulously as if to say, “I don’t know understand why you feel that way! I don’t see color!”
“Why couldn’t Kanye just accept that Taylor was the better artist? What’s the problem?”
All of the above.

Answer Key

Why, when BIPOC decide to gather for various reasons in the face of a society that systematically seeks to subjugate them, is it such a problem for white people?

Could it be that white people are afraid of what could happen if BIPOC divested from white institutions and ways of being and sought self-determination and independence instead?

BIPOC throughout history have spent much time and energy building our own spaces only to be met with disapproval, petty meddling, violent threats and horrific violence.

In the face of all this, BIPOC have even taken the time to explain to white people and our own people why it is okay and possibly advantageous to have separate spaces.

Yet we still encounter white people who want to know why it’s okay for BIPOC to gather but not okay for white people to form their own separate groups.

Problem is when white people gather separately we end up with groups like the KKK, Stormfront and the Trump White House (please avoid ‘splaining about how the cabinet is not actually completely white).

Bottom line: When life, wellness, and happiness are at stake, Black, Indigenous and People of Color have a right to gather without white people in order to address issues that are important to them.

Or even just to gather socially without the fear or inconvenience of having to worry about whether white people will insult them or act awkward.

Similarly, darker-skinned BIPOC may also desire spaces where they can process and organize around the unique issues they face because of their closer proximities to Black and Indigenous skin tones and facial features and that us lighter-skinned people do not have to worry about.
I’m Stalling

It’s easy to create a funny and provocative headline before you have to actually write it. Then you talk about it with people and realize that everyone has so many feelings. But feelings are okay, even my own, so let’s keep going.
Psst… I’m Not Making This Issue Up

In some areas, separate spaces are simply not possible because of lack of large populations of BIPOC. So this question is a moot point.

However, I have lived in the San Francisco Bay Area for the last 11 years, a place considered a mecca for social justice activism and vibrant BIPOC culture. I have been a part of many groups and events organized exclusively for BIPOC.

And every time I have been a part of putting together or attended such a gathering, the issue of whether very light-skinned or white-passing BIPOC should attend has come up.

At the very least, people have expressed annoyance that white-passing people seem to feel entitled to BIPOC spaces and/or get upset if someone questions whether they are BIPOC.

While some might argue that such comments are petty or inconsequential, I think it’s worth taking a pause to consider any issues that darker-skinned BIPOC bring up regarding colorism.

Besides, these tensions make sense since they arise out of the reality that colorism has been present since the first times Black and Indigenous women were raped by white men during colonization and slavery and then gave birth to mixed-race children.

To this day, light-skinned and white-passing BIPOC still receive economic and social advantages over their darker brethren despite all the writing, scholarship and discussion around colorism that is out there.

It must be very frustrating to know that someone of the same race as you can enjoy benefits that you cannot access and to know that they never have to worry about things that you worry about every day simply because of the lightness of their skin and facial features that are considered “finer” — AKA more European.

It might also feel startling to walk into a space that was advertised as BIPOC-only and see blond-haired, blue-eyed people who look whiter than the marshmallows in an Ambrosia salad.

Rather than being defensive or complaining about how we are being excluded from spaces, light-skinned and white-passing people might take a moment to think about what the impact of our presence is in the spaces that we inhabit.

Because let’s face it, us light-skinned and white-passing BIPOC — especially those with white parent/s — still get pretty defensive sometimes when BIPOC vent about the racism or poke fun at the cultural habits of white people.

Other BIPOC don’t really deserve to have to deal with our growing pains of sensitivity, defensiveness, and fragility when they were hoping to be in spaces that are safe from racist or colorist microaggressions.
Appearance Vs. Identification

Because identity is considered deeply personal, we are discouraged from questioning another person’s identity.

Being able to determine whether someone appears to be Black, Indigenous or a Person of Color is complicated and contested, and often depends on many different factors and contexts. For example, some BIPOC may only be seen as such when they are with other BIPOC.

But the examples of former NAACP leader Rachel Dolezal and respected Indigenous Studies scholar Andrea Smith, people who were enriched through claiming BIPOC identities even though they may not have any BIPOC ancestry, have highlighted that there might be a problem with uncritically accepting self-identification.

However, we know that one’s race and skin tone determines material factors such as health, income, and life expectancy, so to pretend that how one is perceived by the world at large has no correlation to how one might choose to identify doesn’t make sense either.

If a person has a BIPOC parent or grandparent and looks white, is treated as a white person, and was raised culturally white for most of their life with little exposure to other BIPOC, where does one draw the line?

Part of the problem may be that in the US we tend to talk as if race, ethnicity, and culture are equivalent, rather than related.

For example, a person can have mostly white European ancestry but due to their family immigrating to a Latin American country, may have been raised Latinx and strongly identify with Latinx culture.

Generally, Latinx people in the US are considered BIPOC. So a person with mostly European ancestry could be BIPOC in this instance and may show up to the next Black and Brown kick back wearing hoop earrings and a huipil blouse.

Does this section make you feel uncomfortable? It makes me feel uncomfortable! Maybe that means we are getting somewhere.

Or maybe it just means that this is a fraught subject. No one wants to go around policing membership into BIPOC-ness when it was white supremacy that created these imaginary categories in the first place.
These Final Thoughts Will Probably Not Feel Very Satisfying But They Are Important

Should you exclude yourself from people of color spaces as a light-skinned or white-passing person?

I can’t answer that for you. There may be no answer.

However, problems arise when us light-skinned and white-passing BIPOC fail to ask ourselves this question or freak out when others ask it.

Next time, before entering a BIPOC space, I would like to encourage light-skinned and white-passing people to read this helpful article by transpinay philosopher b. binaohan and consider the following questions:

Why do I want to be a part of these spaces?

Is it solely to be accepted, to be reassured by other BIPOC that I belong?

Is it to build community with the loved ones and inner circles of people who constitute the spaces in which we might have the most impact in our work to change the world?

Is it to hold space and compassion for the anger and resentment that darker-skinned Black and Indigenous people might have as a result of bearing the brunt of white supremacy’s abuses?

Is it to build solidarity with BIPOC communities so that we can fight injustice together?

Is it to move back by not dominating discussions and not rushing to take on leadership roles that could be filled by darker-skinned people?

Is it to humbly ask what we can contribute to the struggle?

Is to strategize around how we can use our perceived proximity to whiteness in order to destabilize white Supremacy?

***

I think you know where I’m going with all this, right? Humility, compassion, and patience are traits all people to strive toward, but it may just be a prerequisite for those of us with more power seeking connection, support, and solidarity from our communities.

Feeling entitled to space and the emotional labor of reassurance or favorable treatment is what often gives us light-skinned and white-passing BIPOC a bad name.

So keep this in mind — it may just be the reason why your people give you side-eye when you walk into a room.

Nico Dacumos, Everyday Feminism 17 Comments [8/9/2017 11:43:49 AM]
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Quote# 130433

On his radio program today, extremist anti-LGBTQ pastor Kevin Swanson and his co-host Bill Jack declared that “sexualized public schools that violate God’s law with high levels of flagrancy” should be burned to the ground.

Swanson and Jack were outraged by the fact that Washington state public schools teach students about gender identity issues, with Swanson at one point connecting this issue to a rape allegation against an employee at the state’s Department of Fish and Wildlife.

“Rape is also against God’s law and I guess it must be against state law; I’m not getting why, though,” Swanson said. “Why in the world is a sexual crime against the law in the state of Washington if the other forms of crimes are not against the law in the state of Washington? See, this is confusing to me.”

After Swanson fumed that “the worst possible abominations are accepted in the state of Washington” and that the public schools are “whorehouses,” Jack declared that “we need to burn ’em down.”

Swanson and Jack agreed that if parents from the 1950s saw what was happening in the schools today, “they would want to burn them down.”

“They would burn them down,” Jack said. “They would tear the bricks out of the walls, they would use the bricks to stone the apostates.”

Kevin Swanson and Bill Jack, Right Wing Watch 16 Comments [8/11/2017 2:15:50 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 130402

One by one, the 120 events on the special list God had given me while I was in his Throne Room, began to take place in the exact order listed! God had told me that these were markers along the road in confirmation of my visit to the Throne Room!



While I was there, God took me in a vision to my own office on earth, and let me see a lady who had been involved in witchcraft. He didn't tell me her name, but in one split second I saw this woman clearly and distinctly and noticed all the details of her appearance. In the vision, God told me to bind the spirits, cast them out, and set her free, and I did just that!



The following Tuesday night, a woman came into my office dressed exactly as God had shown her to me, and she was completely set free just as I had seen her in the vision in heaven. This was item number one on the list.



While I was in heaven, the Lord also let me see myself ministering in a place of real need. I didn't see the congregation as such, but I saw people who had various types of spiritual and physical bondages, and the Lord was beautifully giving them new life and victory. The name of the place was Christian Life Center, but it definitely wasn't our church.



On the following Monday, we received a telephone call from a pastor of a church in a very small town in Washington. God had placed it on his heart to call me and have me minister in his church. He didn't know why, but he KNEW that he had to call me. We checked the calendar and my wife called him back some definite dates. When he answered the telephone she was amazed to hear these words, "Christian Life Center!" There it was, just like God had shown me! That was item number two.



One of the reasons I get excited about this is that when God says something, we don't have to follow him around and keep reminding him, nudging him, and saying, "God, I have to keep an eye on you to make sure that you do the things you said you would." God had to remind me several times, "You tend to your business, and I'll tend to mine." He jogged my memory over and over again as he repeated these same words! If he doesn't do what he said he would, there isn't anything I can do about it, but I know he will. I trust him, and he has never failed! If he doesn't do it today, he probably has it on his schedule for tomorrow. But he will do it! You don't ever have to worry about that!



Event number four on the list related to a man who was to accept Christ on February 4, 1977, and who would die on May 30 in an airplane crash! God saved him on the exact day he said he would!



He was in our services on the Friday before he died, and asked to have lunch with me, saying, "There are some things I just have to talk to you about." As we ate together he said, "Pastor, I have a strange feeling that I might be going to die. Will you tell me everything you can about heaven?"



I had to bite my lip because I KNEW what was going to happen, but couldn't tell him. God had said I could not because of the impact it would have on other lives! However, I did tell him everything I could about heaven!



Just exactly as God had said over four months before, he went to be with the Lord on May 30, 1977, when he was killed in an airplane crash!



Another exciting event, number 34, concerns a young man who had sold out his life to Satan as a satanic priest. The Lord had given me his name and had even let me see him. On God's designated date, he came into the church and I recognized him, greeted him, and told him to come back into my office. God saved him, blotted out all of the old evil that was in him, and gave him new hope and new victory! Here is a letter I recently received from him:

As I related my life to you on April 9, 1977, you didn't seem surprised at anything I said. It was if you already knew! I discovered later that you did because my name was on a list you had received from the Throne Room of the Almighty God. You had been expecting me, and it was no surprise to you that I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior. My life had been a series of ups and downs. I was raised in a parsonage and had been to the altar many times, but somehow I never completely surrendered. I wandered from place to place, unsettled, undisciplined, with no purpose to my life, finally ending up in a spiritualist center. I became a medium and minister, holding seances and giving readings. Controlled by demons, I had sunk as low as a man can go. Truly "my house was left unto me desolate" (Matthew 23:38). As I tried to break away from this way of life, my home became infested with rats that would not be killed! I lost my home, my dignity, and then my family. I had no place to go. I called my mom and dad in Idaho, and found that they still loved me. I left the spiritualist center and came to Idaho, and like the prodigal son, I was welcomed home! In a short time the Lord gave my family back to me and my wife and I took a trip to Hawaii. We met a couple there from Boise who invited us to your church. PRAISE THE LORD! There is a white flag that stands in my office. It reads: "I HAVE SURRENDERED!"
/s/ Jim Olson

Item number 63 was another one which God actually allowed me to see and witness in detail before it happened. It concerned a family who were having serious marital problems. While I was in heaven, I saw them coming into my office and noticed the date was on the paper when this was to occur.



When the date arrived, these particular people didn't show up. I wondered what had happened, so I decided to stay a little while longer at my office. A short time after my normal closing hour, the telephone rang and a person who didn't identify himself, said, "Pastor Buck, will you be in your office for a little while?" I said, "Yes." He didn't tell me who he was.



When they came to the door, I greeted them BY NAME! This really shook them up! Then I asked, "What brought you here?" They said they had been having terrible marital problems and decided they would have to go someplace to clear the air. They didn't know why, but they had decided to come to Boise, Idaho.



"We drove up here, rented a motel room, and when we got inside the room, we noticed the telephone book was lying open to the spot where you have your ad which reads, 'Counseling by appointment'."



Instantly I knew that one of those angels had been there ahead of time and had opened the directory to the right place, and had also arranged at the front desk for them to get the right room.



As we conversed, the lady said, "We have had a good time driving up here together, things are all straightened out, and everything is going to be all right, so we won't waste your time. We'll be leaving now!"



I said, "No, you had better stay here, because that isn't the way it is." I told them that God had let me see this event happening months before. I said to the wife, "You have a gun in your purse, and you are planning to shoot your husband as soon as you get back to your motel."



He was really alarmed, and exclaimed, "You'd better not shoot me!" She was shaking all over. I said, "Open your purse and give me that gun!"



She opened her purse and handed me the gun exactly as I had seen it happen before. Then her very soul cried out to God! She knew there was no way I could have known anything about the gun unless God had told me, and he had let me know about it almost six months before it happened!



Both of them immediately fell down on their faces before God. He washed their sins away and instantly put their marriage back together. I have had one beautiful letter from them since then. They are going to a good church in California, happy in the Lord and serving God!



God told me he wasn't listing everything that would happen. He said, "I just want to pick out a few things so you can see by confirmation that I am really on the job!" There were undoubtedly hundreds of happenings between each of these events, but he let me see just a few to have as markers along the road. People have asked me what is going to happen when all 120 events have come to pass. I would like to say that the future events are planned in advance, just as much as they were planned in the past, only I don't know about them, but you can rest assured God has everything all mapped out!



An interesting item on the list concerned a Jewish man who owns a great chain of restaurants. Through a beautiful set of circumstances he met and accepted Jesus as his Savior. Evidence of his experience was seen by his desire that the hundreds of employees in these restaurants across the country would have the same opportunity. He said, "Surely God cares as much about these employees as he does about me." When he told me who he was, my spirit leaped inside of me because his name was number 112!



Number 113 of the 120 events which God entered on this paper from my book in heaven on January 21, 1977, was the selection of a new pope. God told me the pope has no more influence with him than the least of his saints, and has no greater privileges, but because his influence with man is great, his choice is God's concern. Therefore, in order to help in the restoration of his fragmented body, God had chosen a man named Karol Wojtyla of Poland. This prophecy was fulfilled October 16, 1978, when he began his reign as Pope John Paul II.



Number 116 on the list had to do with Red China. God told me not to panic when diplomatic relations with Red China were restored, and Taiwan was seemingly cut off. God has not forgotten nor forsaken his people. God has chosen to open the doors so that through this small opening the bright rays of his light can shine, bringing light and deliverance from chains of darkness.



One of the things God told me when he brought me back from heaven was, "I will come to you again." How I love him! He has revisited me over and over again by means of these heavenly angelic beings with messages for today's world!



In answer to those who ask if angel beings will come at my call - this is not possible! They do not respond to human beings, because they don't take orders from anyone except God. I have heard many people say, "I command the angels to do this and that!" This is an effort in futility, because you can't command an angel to do one thing!



Every single order comes from God, and that is why I know when they are speaking they are echoing words right out of God's heart. This is why they don't listen to the objections of people when God orders them to minister to individuals.



"For since the messages from angels have always proved true and people have always been punished for disobeying them, what makes us think that we can escape if we are indifferent to this great salvation announced by the Lord Jesus himself, and passed on to us by those who heard him speak?" (Hebrews 2:2-3 TLB).



My visit to the Throne Room has changed my life completely! I know God in a more real and personal way than ever before. My times of prayer have become visits with him. The Bible took on a new dimension and began to live. It is apparent that this experience became a big part of my entire life for it has occupied almost all of my thoughts and meditations since it happened. Though I do not have the benefit of the heavenly paper since God turned it into ashes, every item written on it was burned into my mind like a photograph.



I have often mentally gone over the various items on the list wondering how God would bring them to pass. Some of the things looked like total impossibilities. Upon occasion I mused over these seemingly difficult prophecies, jotted down my thoughts, and dropped them into my files. Recently, for my personal enjoyment, I drew out some of these papers.



One was dated February 4, 1977, just two weeks after the Throne Room experience when most of the prophecies were still in the future. It read, "How can these things happen? He was saved today, but it also shows his death in an airplane accident, May 30, 1977, Memorial Day. I surely don't understand why."



As I think of the long list of events which have already been fulfilled, and these predictions that God said would definitely take place, I cannot help but thank him because he has kept his word. 117 of these great events, these prophecies by God, have been fulfilled in sequence. The other three are in the process of being fulfilled at the time of this writing.


Roland Buck, angels on assignment 9 Comments [8/11/2017 12:15:36 PM]
Fundie Index: 4
Submitted By: Tony

Quote# 130409

Baltimore officer aquitted on all charges in Freedy grays death
A Baltimore judge acquitted Officer Caesar Goodson on all counts Thursday in the death of Freddie Gray, who death in police custody last year sparked days of riots throughout the city.

Goodson, who drove the van that transported Gray after his arrest, faced the most serious charges of the six officers involved in his death last April. He was found not guilty on all seven counts, including second-degree depraved-heart murder, second-degree assault, misconduct in office and involuntary manslaughter. The depraved-heart murder charge carried a possible 30-year sentence.
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this is good news

criminals should not enjoy the same rights as a law abiding citizens they make a choice to give up their rights when they commit crimes




Freddie Gray was arrested, but never tried or convicted, for carrying an illegal switchblade. In Baltimore, that is a crime punishable by a fine of up to $500, or up to 1 year imprisonment... in other words, a misdemeanor.
So to be very clear about what you acutally said here, you believe that the police should be able to kill people who they've arrested for misdemanor or felony offenses, regardless of evidence or conviction... and furthermore, that once you've been arrested, you are now considered a criminal, regardless of what anything as trivial as evidence or a court might have to say on the matter.


Darkwarrior seems to be another SJW who denies the existence of reality/facts

March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)


Daish, mmo-champion 13 Comments [8/11/2017 12:22:27 PM]
Fundie Index: 4

Quote# 130198

How did I get summoned to this conversation? Lol. I had never heard of this quote before, but the "analogy" of intercourse was very commonly used throughout scripture to describe our spiritual oneness with The Godhead. One of my favorite applications of this is John 8:32, "you shall KNOW the Truth, and the Truth will make you free." Yahushua refers to Himself as "the Truth", and then says you must "know" the Truth. Know is a word that literally means intercourse in the Greek language it was intitially written in. So, yes I find this quote beautiful and accurrate. If we are not to be one in (spiritual) intercourse with our Lord, why would He refer to us as his bride? No marriage is consummated without intercourse, and like any husband, YAHUSHUA wants to make love to His Bride!

Dr. Intimacy (Laneen Haniah), FSTDT 14 Comments [8/7/2017 2:15:54 AM]
Fundie Index: 5
Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 130360



A group of conservatives is working on “a thought-for-thought translation” of the Bible “without corruption by liberal bias.” Yes, that Bible. The organization seeks to create a document that, among other things, is “Not Emasculated,” that “Express[es] Free Market Parables” and that favors “conciseness [over] the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio.” That Jesus was such a wordy socialist.

According to the brains at Conservapedia, the Web site responsible, liberal tendencies in the previous versions of the Bible can’t be blamed on poor translation alone. The fault also lies in “lack of precision in the original language. … ” You don’t say.

Before you scoff, know that Conservapedia has anticipated your derision. “[L]iberals will oppose this effort,” the site warns. “[B]ut they will have to read the Bible to criticize this, and that will open their minds.”

The group’s guidelines for the Conservative Bible Project are below. — PS

Conservapedia via Swampland:

As of 2009, there is no fully conservative translation of the Bible which satisfies the following ten guidelines:

Framework against Liberal Bias: providing a strong framework that enables a thought-for-thought translation without corruption by liberal bias
Not Emasculated: avoiding unisex, “gender inclusive” language, and other modern emasculation of Christianity
Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level
Utilize Powerful Conservative Terms: using powerful new conservative terms as they develop; defective translations use the word “comrade” three times as often as “volunteer”; similarly, updating words which have a change in meaning, such as “word”, “peace”, and “miracle”.
Combat Harmful Addiction: combating addiction by using modern terms for it, such as “gamble” rather than “cast lots”; using modern political terms, such as “register” rather than “enroll” for the census
Accept the Logic of Hell: applying logic with its full force and effect, as in not denying or downplaying the very real existence of Hell or the Devil.
Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning
Exclude Later-Inserted Liberal Passages: excluding the later-inserted liberal passages that are not authentic, such as the adulteress story
Credit Open-Mindedness of Disciples: crediting open-mindedness, often found in youngsters like the eyewitnesses Mark and John, the authors of two of the Gospels
Prefer Conciseness over Liberal Wordiness: preferring conciseness to the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio; avoid compound negatives and unnecessary ambiguities; prefer concise, consistent use of the word “Lord” rather than “Jehovah” or “Yahweh” or “Lord God.”

Thus, a project has begun among members of Conservapedia to translate the Bible in accordance with these principles. The [partly] translated Bible can be found here.



Conservapedia, Truthdig 14 Comments [8/10/2017 3:23:16 PM]
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Submitted By: DiarrheaMan

Quote# 130381

In anticipation of the solar eclipse that will span the entire contiguous United States later this month, evangelist Anne Graham Lotz has warned that the Great American Eclipse might not be a cause for celebration.

There's been much buzz recently about the solar eclipse that will occur on Aug. 21, which could mark the first time since 1918 that a total solar eclipse will be visible across the entire contiguous United States. It will begin in Oregon and sweep southeast across the country ending in South Carolina. According to Space.com, the phenomenon is "one of the most spectacular sights in nature."

As many across the nation will welcome the phenomenon by hosting and participating in eclipse parties, Lotz, the daughter of world renowned evangelist Billy Graham and founder of AnGeL Ministries, took to her website on Monday to comment on the upcoming eclipse in a blog post titled "Is God's Judgment Coming on America?"

The 69-year-old Lotz, who has previously cited the the Old Testament book of Joel to warn a number of times that God could soon cast his judgement on the United States as punishment for the sins of the nation, began the post by explaining that she felt "compelled to issue the warning once again."



Anne Graham Lotz.
"The warning is triggered by the total solar eclipse of Aug. 21, nicknamed America's Eclipse. For the first time in almost 100 years, a total solar eclipse will be seen from coast to coast in our nation," she wrote. "People are preparing to mark this significant event with viewing parties at exclusive prime sites. The celebratory nature regarding the eclipse brings to my mind the Babylonian King Belshazzar who threw a drunken feast the night the Medes and Persians crept under the city gate."

The story of Belshazzar's feast was told in the Old Testament book of Daniel. Lotz explained that while Belshazzar and his friends partied and had a good time, "they were oblivious to the impending danger."

"Belshazzar wound up dead the next day, and the Babylonian empire was destroyed," Lotz stated.

Lotz also noted that Jewish rabbis have traditionally seen solar eclipses as "warnings from God to Gentile nations."

"Therefore, my perspective on the upcoming phenomenon is not celebratory," Lotz wrote. "While no one can know for sure if judgment is coming on America, it does seem that God is signaling us about something. Time will tell what that something is."

In her blog post, Lotz also embedded a YouTube video of a nearly hour-long message given by Australian Pastor Steve Cioccolanti of Discover Ministries that was posted late last month. The message was titled "Is the USA in the Bible? Great American Eclipse Aug 21st, 2017 a Real End Time Sign?"

"Pastor Steve articulates the warning in a very clear, undeniable, yet undogmatic way based on his understanding of biblical truth," Lotz added.

"Please be assured that balancing God's warning is His plea for us to return to Him and rend our hearts in sincere, heartfelt repentance," she continued. "I can almost hear the tears in Joel's voice as he pleads for us to repent and return to God, because 'Who knows? He may return and have pity and leave behind a blessing' (Joel 2:13-14)."

Lotz argued that even if the warnings about the eclipse are inaccurate, the U.S. and the world are already in "turmoil."

"Without doubt this is the time for God's people to get right with God. To repent of our own sin. To share the Gospel with our neighbors. And to pray that in the midst of His coming wrath, God would remember mercy," Lotz concluded.

Anne Graham Lotz, ChristianPost 10 Comments [8/10/2017 3:30:19 PM]
Fundie Index: 6

Quote# 130385

What if it were shown that the Bible systematically adopts a geocentric perspective? Would that be something to care about? God created the heaven and the earth on day one. The sun was made on day four. There will be new heavens and a new earth, but there will be no need for the light of the sun. From beginning to end the Bible rejects the natural man's deification of the sun as the source of light and life. God sets the sun it in its place. God moves it in its course. God can stop it in its course when it serves His purpose. The Bible systematically presents the same picture of the sun in relation to the earth, and never suggests anything different.

History, prophecy, law, poetry, all provide the same uniform view of the matter. Even the poetic descriptions only make sense on the understanding that the sun moves. There is never a hint that this is merely phenomenological language. It is reality as God has revealed it. That being the case, whence arises the suggestion that it is something other than literal? The suggestion comes from naturalistic science. A changing science at that.

A science which self-consciously proclaims its findings in terms of hypothesis and probability. A science which already accepts that alternate models might be just as valid. A science which itself is geocentric, since all its preliminary findings are based on observations of and from the earth. What then? Are we seriously being asked to exchange the reliability of the consistent worldview of the Bible in order to conform to the unreliable and ever-changing probabilities of this so-called "science?"

MW, Puritan Board 13 Comments [8/10/2017 3:32:12 PM]
Fundie Index: 7
Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 130388

Today, most people are too afraid to bring their actions before God, and while you may deceive God’s flesh, you cannot deceive God’s Spirit. All that cannot withstand God’s observation is not in accord with truth and should be cast aside, or you sin against God. So, no matter whether it’s when you pray, when you speak and fellowship with your brothers and sisters, or when you perform your duty and do your business, you must lay your heart before God.

When you fulfill your function, God is with you, and so long as your intent is correct and is for the work of God’s house, God will accept all you do, so you should earnestly devote yourself to fulfilling your function.

All that you do, every action, every intention, and every reaction must be brought before God. That is, your normal spiritual life, your prayers, your closeness with God, eating and drinking of God’s word, fellowship with your brothers and sisters, living your life in the church, and even your service in your partnership are all things which must be brought before God and observed by Him. It is such practice that will help you mature in life.

Church of Almighty God, Church of Almighty God 8 Comments [8/10/2017 3:32:44 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 130220

The timeless principles of Graeco-Roman logic and philosophy that we have just reviewed (not to be confused with the pointless mental masturbation that many modern pseudo-intellectuals like to engage in over a Starbucks’ latte) will expose a charlatan or an ignoramus every... single... time. Indeed, armed with nothing else but the earlier segment on Logical Fallacies, any “average Joe” can easily take down one of these “scientists” and humiliate him.

The Fake Scientist is thus compelled to declare: “there is no debate” because he knows that he cannot win a debate! Just like Count Dracula before a crucifix or sprinkled with Holy Water, the Fake Scientist will recoil in agony when confronted with the Socratic Method of inquiry.

Therefore, it is not surprising, but to be expected, that warmist Fake Scientists would express such open contempt and hostility for the millenniums-old discipline that should serve as the foundation of all intellectual pursuits and even common, every day understanding of life situations. Here they are, in their own words, mocking Philosophy – the very rules of thinking that we use to pursue truth and unmask lies and errors.

Neil DeGrasse Tyson: “Philosophy is not a productive contributor to our understanding of the natural world …. It (philosophy) can really mess you up.” (28)

Stephen Hawking: “Philosophy is dead. Philosophers have not kept up with modern developments in science. Scientists have become the bearers of the torch of discovery in our quest for knowledge.” (29)

Bill Nye: “Philosophy is important for a while…. But you can start arguing in a circle…. Keep in mind, humans made up philosophy too.” (30)

You see, when a Fake Scientist needs to work around the eternal rules of lie-detection, he simply ridicules them, declares them “dead” or dismisses truth itself as “relative.” It’s sort of like a local burglar telling you that installing a home alarm system, adopting a big guard dog and keeping a loaded pistol under your bed aren’t effective anymore; or a nervous criminal, under interrogation, insisting that polygraph (lie detector) tests are never accurate.

But philosophy is not dead. The theory of man-made Global Warming is, and Messrs. Tyson, Hawking and Nye all know it – which is why they want to replace philosophy (Greek for “love of wisdom”) with “theoretical science” (love of slick talking sophistry, rigged math equations and rigged computer models).

Tyson, Nye and the “talking” stiff from “Weekend at Bernie’s” (or his ventriloquist?) all rely heavily upon classic logical fallacies to sell their nonsense. The only thing that can stop them is sound logic, aka philosophy.

Mike King, Tomato Bubble 13 Comments [8/10/2017 3:19:15 PM]
Fundie Index: 6

Quote# 130401

Pathetic. When once the atheist community was, very briefly, at the very forefront of scepticism, now you are the arrière-garde of the mainstream, the mindless foot soldiers of the status quo, the obedient lapdogs of the powers that be. Scoff at right-leaning wrong think but don't dare step out of line and criticize Islamic barbarism, anti-white racism or unscientific leftist narratives about human biodiversity or culture! No no no, don't dare do that! Disregard the plethora of evidence, CNN would never cut live feeds whenever a guest states uncomfortable facts! YouTube videos showing dozens of examples of this? Ha ha, don't be silly, everyone knows video is an illegitimate means of conveying information, only idiots watch YouTube videos (you say, after your tenth cat video of the day).

http://www.atheistthinktank.org/thinktank/index.php/topic,1639.0.html

Look at this. This is what you are now. Intellectual and moral cowards. You'll chuckle at the old Christian lady who prays for good health, but won't dare challenge the issue of the religion which preaches enslavement and murder, whose 70 IQ, inbred adherents are invading the West and raping Her women. The atheist community is sad and weak. Since the alt-right exploded onto the political landscape mere years ago, almost everything they've wanted has happened. And you, utterly ignorant and helplessly lost, you really just don't understand why, do you? It's because you get your political opinions from empty headed celebrity tweets and garbage leftist rags whose every author has a name ending in Stein, that's why. Oy vey!

Samide, FSTDT 10 Comments [8/11/2017 12:15:31 PM]
Fundie Index: 8
Submitted By: The Reptilian Jew

Quote# 130382

Evangelist and author Anne Graham Lotz has listed a number of key preparations Christians should make before the rapture.

Lotz, who is the founder of AnGeL Ministries and the chairwoman of the National Day of Prayer, wrote in an article Monday on the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association website that preparing for any kind of trip takes "time, thought and energy."

"The Bible teaches that all followers of Jesus are to plan and prepare for a 'trip.' The trip is not only undertaken when we move to Heaven following death, but it is also a very unique one that will take place at the end of human history as we have known it," she wrote.

"We are told that believers in the last generation will not experience physical death, but will be caught up in what is called the 'rapture'... the 'snatching away'... to meet Jesus in the air and be reunited with loved ones who have died in Christ and have gone before us. It will be the trip of a lifetime — a trip that is out of this world," Lotz added.

She indicated that getting informed and being prepared to "leave suddenly, at a moment's notice" for the coming trip, referring to the rapture, would be the first step.

Next, she said that a checklist needs to be planned out.

Lotz shared several Bible verses for readers to help them make such a checklist, and said that Christians needs to be abounding in love, established in faith, confident in hope, unblamable in holiness, and steadfast in service.

"What is your service for Jesus? How can you serve Him even more as the time for departure draws near?" she asked believers to reflect upon.

Finally, she said faithful believers need to listen for the "Clarion Call."

"How will we know when it's time to leave? Read 1 Thessalonians 4:16–17. When the call to leave comes, will you be ready? What items on your checklist will you wish you had 'packed?'" she asked.

Lotz did not speculate when precisely the rapture may arrive, but said Christians need to get ready.

"We haven't left yet, so there is still time to increase and excel in each item on the checklist. Ask God to help you prepare so that you are rapture ready," she wrote.

In the past, Lotz has warned that the United States is entering the "last stage" of the "downward spiral" toward God's judgment.

"God is backing away from America. He has said again and again and again, 'If you forsake me, I will forsake you. If you abandon me, I will abandon you.' So, we see God abandoning America as we shake our fist in his face and insist on our immorality and all the things we are doing," she said in 2016, referring in part to the legalization of gay marriage.

"We have lost the ability to think straight, no pun intended. God backs away and removes His hand of blessing and His hand of favor and His hand of protection," Lotz added.

Most recently, she told The Biblical Recorder that the U.S. continues "unraveling" and "disintegrating" into anger and anarchy, due to its "rejection of God."

"God has promised to hear us, forgive us and heal us on the condition that we pray. Therefore prayer is essential. It is not an option, it is a necessity," she said.

Anne Graham Lotz, Christianpost 15 Comments [8/10/2017 3:30:27 PM]
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Quote# 130362

a real american wants to kill liberals. a real american wants you dead.

lewstherin, Liberal Forum 22 Comments [8/10/2017 12:04:01 AM]
Fundie Index: 5
Submitted By: DiarrheaMan
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