Quote# 18854

Science will never find the answer to all those difficult questions. They will continue to work on various theories as long as God is left out of the equation and this is all to easy to do as God cannot be tested or demonstrated in a lab. This is, incidentally, why Evolution should be banished from Science and taught as a religion. If this were the case nobody would follow it as it Godless for one reason and has totally bogus claims. The problem is that the majority of people out there will believe these so called Scientists is due to the fact that they are in an authorotative position. I cannot accept that 3 billion years ago life emerged and I cannot accept that we progressed to eventually become beautiful us, it is all to vague and unfamilliar with no valid proof. I have requested countless times that somebody explain MACRO-Evolution to me but alas, nobody can do it, I keep hearing about micro-evolution which I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH!! Thank you to all those who've tried in convincing me once again that Macro -evolution is an absolute hoax.

oliver, RichardDawkins.net 37 Comments [1/2/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 18855

[Christian suggesting atheists are Satan's followers.]

why should it be of concern to the Christian that Athiets put the Word of God out of context. Born Again Christians are usually very aware of this very well known ploy of Satan his demons and his followers. When it comes to the clever, decietful,artful and sly craft of telling the truth - but not quite all the truth about the Bible, Satan, his demons and his followers are the proverbial 'bees knees" and "cats whiskers" all in one!

David, Bonnie's Lounge 31 Comments [1/2/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 132933

What shall an Atheist invoke? that life is meaningless & without purpose???..Nihilists of the Dung heaps!!!..haha

Rommel R. Alanis, Facebook 13 Comments [10/13/2017 11:32:38 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132963

As 'Son of Rambow' prepares to wow cinema audiences, Alex Hannaford examines the Plymouth Brethren, the movement whose stringent rules shape the life of the hero. Most of us can recall the thrill of seeing our first action-packed film. For Will Proudlock, the boy hero of the new Garth Jennings movie Son of Rambow, the effect is intensified, as his illicit viewing of a Sylvester Stallone film is his first sight of a moving picture.

Will belongs to a Plymouth Brethren family, and listening to music, watching television or seeing films are all forbidden to members of the reclusive religious sect. Seeing Rambo is therefore a life-changing experience for Will. The Brethren were not in Jennings's original script for the film, set in the 1980s and based on the director's own Essex childhood, and which proved a smash hit at the Sundance Film Festival. But both Jennings and producer Nick Goldsmith knew something was missing.

"It's really hard to show the impact that movies can have on a kid," Jennings says, "but I lived next door to a Plymouth Brethren family for 25 years, and by moving the story next door it captured the qualities we were looking for."

Jennings has not set out to paint a bad picture of the Brethren. "No one is evil in the film, but religion is one of the things that holds this character back. "Although we'd found our plot, it also opened up a can of worms because the Plymouth Brethren is a very secret society. Although I lived next door to them, they kept to themselves and it took a lot of investigation to find out more."

The Plymouth Brethren was started by law student John Nelson Darby in the early 1800s after he broke away from the Anglican Church in Ireland. A gathering in Plymouth, Devon, in 1832, gave the sect its name, but 10 years later, the group itself split into 'Exclusive Brethren' and 'Open Brethren' - the former being much stricter.

A relative of Jennings's taught at an Exclusive Brethren school and the director used him to build a clearer picture of life behind closed Brethren doors. "I found out loads of little details," Jennings says. "The Exclusive Brethren shun pretty much everything that could be a distraction from serving God, including television, film, literature and pop music. They are not whacky, but they do take their beliefs very seriously and follow a strict moral code.

"When I was growing up in the 1980s, video and computers hadn't saturated our lives like they have now. It must be much harder to 'opt out' these days. You'd be constantly battling against the evils the rest of us indulge in.

"There are quite a lot of ex-Brethren, casualties I suppose, families that have been pulled apart. Once you've left that's it: if your family are still in the Brethren you're not allowed contact with them." One example is David (not his real name), 56, who left the Exclusive Brethren in the early 1970s after a new leader began introducing stricter rules. The leader's behaviour also raised alarm bells.

"In my first 10 years the Brethren were a happy group," David says. "Friends and relatives who were non-Brethren were allowed to stay with us and we could eat with them, but in the early 1960s an American named Jim Taylor forced his way to the top and began 'separation'." Separation meant sect members must keep away from anyone who didn't follow the Exclusive teaching.

They weren't allowed to make friends or eat ("break bread") with anyone outside the church. "Suddenly, we had to cut off any contact with our cousins," David continues. "They were dead to us. There was no cinema, no joining in with prayers at regular schools, no going round to friends' houses. It was all to do with the orders of Jim Taylor.

"In 1970, Taylor started sleeping with another sect wife. He claimed he was a pure man, but there was an Exclusive Brethren gathering in Aberdeen and he appeared on stage obviously drunk. After that there was a split in the group." In the following two years, about 8,000 Exclusives left, but a large number remained.

"My wife and I left, but my eldest brother and some uncles and aunts stayed and cut off contact with us," says David. "Taylor effectively radicalised the Brethren. It was always strict, but he made it worse. "My eldest brother rarely talks to me, though we live in the same town. At my father's funeral, last year, he stood 100 yards away from everyone else. If I see him in the street and he's on his own, he'll raise his hand. If his wife is with him, he'll ignore me. I'm just sad for them. They're missing out on so much."

Today, the leader of the Exclusive Brethren is an Australian, Bruce Hales, who inherited the job from his father, John. There are now about 46,000 Exclusive members worldwide. In the early 1990s, questionnaires were sent to 300 former Exclusives around the world, 200 of which were returned completed. Of these, 76 per cent felt a sense of loss in leaving close friends behind. Half were plagued by upsetting memories of their days in the Exclusives.

A spokesperson for Peebs.net - an information website set up to 'investigate and report the truth behind the Exclusive Brethren' - says: "We've been following Son of Rambow since it was shown at the Sundance Film Festival?… shame no active Exclusive Brethren will be allowed to see the movie." That's one of the reasons why Jennings isn't worried about a potential Brethren backlash. "I don't feel conniving about it, but it is a point. They'll never see it.

"Besides, you could see our film as a statement on the corrupting power of television. I see it as something completely different - that by shutting people off from certain things, you're not really educating them. "While it may be right for some people, it can't be right for everyone and it certainly isn't right for the boy in the film."

Exclusive Brethren, The Telegraph 2 Comments [10/14/2017 1:24:42 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132921

I'm seeing that Atheism is becoming a religion and that the horoscope magazines are teaching that the Bible was written to "make people submit" philosophy...

Thus, they are taking prayer to new heights of criticism and judgement: taking people to court!

so as Christians we need to bind this activity of atheism in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord. And beware of them.

Annette Margaret Blanco, Facebook 25 Comments [10/13/2017 1:59:51 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132912

The LGBT crowd is trying to create some kind of sex zombies. Go to one of those “pride” marches in San Francisco and see what you see.

subterfuge, Free Republic 21 Comments [10/13/2017 1:59:27 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132955

(A video description on why halloween is satanic. This person isn't even a christains)

Beyond the seeming fun and frolic, how does Halloween actually affect us at the spiritual level? In this video, we share with you our findings gained through spiritual research. We hope that this will help you gain an understanding of the spiritual effects of Halloween and reasons to stop celebrating it. Apart from staying away from activities that generate distressing vibrations, spiritual practice is the best way to protect ourselves from negative energies.



Spiritual Science Research Foundatiom, Youtube 11 Comments [10/14/2017 3:27:31 AM]
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Quote# 132919

Those players don't look like they're being forced into anything. If there were more prayer in schools there would be more unity and possibly less bullying.

Screw the atheists. Public or not, schools need to promote prayer. Prayer, not politics is why we kneel...pro-sports could learn a thing or two from this.

Jennife Tempest, Facebook 18 Comments [10/13/2017 1:59:46 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132940

The more 'progressive' a society becomes, the more decayed and degenerate it truly is.

Oathsworn, Anglo-Saxon Foundation  10 Comments [10/14/2017 3:23:12 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132966

Bjorn,

Given that oppression and smears are what passes for ‘evidence’ in the climate science world, why do you keep ‘believing’?

It seems obvious to me that the original evidence which seemed fairly compelling should be re-examined in the light of the undoubted fraudulent nature of later climate science activities. And that the inability of climate scientists to show that climatic variation is in any way different from natural variation means that believing in man-made climate change is an act of faith rather than science.

That is why you and all the other scientists are being attacked. Climate Change is about faith. And to question any aspect of the faith is heresy…

Dodgy Geezer, Watt's Up With That 1 Comments [10/14/2017 1:25:03 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132973

Befriending them has a lot more negatives than positives. If it was something truly of benefit it would generally be regarded as normal and acceptable. Now keeping küffar between the stranger and friend zone is the best place. If we alienate all of the ummah from the non-Muslims this distorts a balance to humanity and is generally unnatural. If we befriend them and take them as close partners they can easily stray us from continuing on towards a better path.

For example its time to pray...but you are with your friend, who respects the fact you pray but not necessarily that it has a time window to do it in. Even the nicest non-Muslim will stray you into excessive time wasting and ideology changing.

Wasnt it Ali (r.a.) who had said Show me who your friends are and I can tell you of that person??? And as we say in America you are who your friends are. Theres no logic to maintaining relations with non-Muslims but completely outcasting ourselves isnt healthy either. Acquaintances seems to me to be the most logical.

Anthanasia, Ummah 1 Comments [10/14/2017 1:54:06 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132959

Assalamualaikum wa Rahmatullah

Music doesnt feed your emotions, its exactly the opposite. When you listen to sad music, you become sad. When you listen to angry music, you become mad. When you listen to joyous music, you become happy, etc etc.

This altering affect it has on the mood makes it haram. Any thing that can disturb your natural being, like alcohol and drugs, are forbidden in Islam. Why should you be sad when you can be happy? Just because a song has that mood? It controls how you feel to a certain point, which is why it is haram.

Think about it, when you watch a scary movie on mute, its almost ridiculous. With the sound, the atmosphere changes and the situation all of a sudden becomes more dramatic. It is also VERRRRRRRRY addicting, just like alcohol can be...

sadia, Ummah 7 Comments [10/14/2017 3:40:53 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132922

(responding to story "Caitlan Coleman family refuses return to US; husband fears Gitmo over past")

(story here, not really relevant to this posting: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/10/12/american-caitlin-coleman-family-freed-from-afghanistan-captors.html)

Lady Checkmate:
I knew they were lying.
Think about it. If you'd been held captive (against your will) anywhere in the Middle East, and was released you'd get the heck out of dodge, not decide to stay. Actually, I'd be surprised I survived that long-as a Christian woman, lol.
I guarantee the alt-left will claim Stockholm Syndrome and excuse their behavior, smh.

Gary Ritzman:
There both crackers. Who goes for a hike in the countryside when the Talban and others are torturing and killing nearly everyone they come in contact with.
The one’s who will suffer most are their children thanks to Mr. Boyle. Difficult to believe their mother has no maternal instincts to protect her children.

Lady Checkmate:
I don't know how to respond, lol. I want to up vote you and agree with you, but your use of the word "cracker" confuses me. It's considered a racial epithet and I don't like racial epithets at all nor support their use, but I'm not sure if that was your intent, and if so I must ask that you edit it out. If I misunderstood your usage of the word, then please enlighten me.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - News Network 19 Comments [10/13/2017 1:59:55 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 132918

Boy Scouts were pedophiles love to hang ! this day and age I don't trust any of them, . All these liberals pushing their agenda on our kids wouldn't want them involved in any of this anymore.

Erie Grizwald, Facebook 4 Comments [10/13/2017 1:59:43 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132913

It is not “sex-reassignment” surgery.

It is mutilation of a body where every nucleus of every cell of the body continues to cry out the body’s gender, regardless of the mutilation and regardless of the lifetime of massive doses of hormones and drugs.

It is all, 100% pretense to satisfy an obsession carried in a mind struggling with a mental problem, an identity dysphoria. It requires strong, compassionate, continuous and consistent professional help getting the young mind out of it’s obsession.

Yes, it’s a struggle akin to getting out of the worst addictions. The easy path, the comfortable path, just like satisfying an addiction is to satisfy the obsession. Yes, that is the path of least resistance, the “calmer” path. Yet, it is never 100% satisfying. The body does not lie about its gender, it’s written in every cell.

What young “transgender” persons need is not adults who will become the enablers of the obsession their child is inflicted with, but adults who will help them through the struggle to end the control of the obsession.

Wuli, Free Republic 10 Comments [10/13/2017 1:59:30 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132880

No matter where in the western world you do a poll among Muslims, the outcome is pretty much the same

– about a third consider themselves ‘moderate’ and law abiding – which doesn’t mean too much since they are still supporting radicals driving the agenda
– another third strongly advocate Sharia law which should be implemented in their host countries in replacement of secular laws and Islam should be the only ‘religion’ allowed
– the rest openly sympathizes with or is actively taking part in violent, jihadi terror action in the streets to forcefully convert and even kill or rape the infidel, indigenous population and apostates, no matter which age.

As long as there are enough leftist idiotic policy makers around nothing will be done to contain this malaise.

Hartmut, Bare Naked Islam 12 Comments [10/11/2017 2:51:25 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132914

LGBT activism is terrorism perpetrated towards young people. These people should ALL be run out of town or otherwise agressivly dispatched.

bk1000, Free Republic 10 Comments [10/13/2017 1:59:32 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132886

[Comment under "When Buddhists start fighting Islam you know the problem is real."]

@Kingpink2ITL:
When Buddhists had the sads about what was going on with them in Vietnam they acted against it by self immolating.

If you pushed buddhists into taking up arms against you, you are a cosmic master troll.


From American_Worker:

If you got Buddhists ethnically cleansing yo ass, you probably have yourself to blame.

Kingpink2ITL and American_Worker, Reddit - r/The_Donald 9 Comments [10/11/2017 10:16:35 PM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 132920

As far as I know, Atheism is a recognized religion in the U.S. So one religion doesn't like the idea another religion gets people together and exercise their constitution rights to gather together and pray.

A definition of Atheism says they don't acknowledge the existence of a God. They know it exists but don't want to acknowledge it exists. Sounds like they have a God in their beliefs that they live by.

Jim McRae, Facebook 19 Comments [10/13/2017 1:59:48 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 120392

I will say this is true. If you grow up, especially as a Black person in America, you are taught that the worst crime ever perpetrated by American was slavery and the subsequent discrimination against Blacks.

So it is hard for Americans, especially some Black Americans to understand that Allah(swt) allowed slavery though he regulated it, and enslavement is an appropriate punishment for enemies of the deen.

People don't understand that slavery as it is regulated in Islam is a whole universe away from the brutal methods practiced by the european kuffar. However, Slavery is not intended to be pleasant. Allah(swt) legislated that slavery is a punishment for kafir enemies who choose to fight against Islam rather than accepting the deen. Fighting against Allah(swt) and his religion is a terrible thing in the sight of Allah, so he has proscribed the punishment of hellfire for those who die fighting against Islam, and he has proscribed the punishment and humiliation of slavery for those kuffar who survive and their women and children, as well as the seizure of their property.

abd-al Rahman, ummah.com 21 Comments [7/9/2016 6:41:18 AM]
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Submitted By: Mister Spak

Quote# 132883

Did the Holy Ghost or God come upon Mary?

Spud, Religion and Ethics 20 Comments [10/12/2017 3:12:55 AM]
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Submitted By: Nearly Sane

Quote# 132905

Multiple witnesses have come out against Harvey and he fled. Trump said, yeah I said it, it was stupid I was bragging. We all do that.

You are a liberal fascist, a shill, with no judgement to be able to discern good from evil. fair from unfair, because you are a nihilist and indoctrinated. You sat back and made excuses for Obama literally abandoning and selling out the working class, then called them "racists" for complaining about it, and covered for those who called them "deplorables"

You are corrupt, liberal. You are evil, liberal. You are a liberal nihilist, because liberalism has become exactly that, and decadent and contrary to everything it was supposed to stand for. You are posting on a soc account with 8 karma and about 10 total post, all of which are here and anti-Trump. You are a shill.

You have no credibility to stand in judgement of anything. STOP TRYING TO MAKE THIS ABOUT TRUMP, IT IS ABOUT DESPICABLE, LOWLIFE HARVEY WEINSTEIN AND LIBERAL CLINTON CULTURE AND AND THOSE WHO MAKE EXCUSES FOR THE CORRUPTION AND EVIL OF THE LIBERAL CLINTON CULTURE LIKE YOU.

Aldebaran333, r/TheNewRight 15 Comments [10/12/2017 12:55:25 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132936

I forgot to order bible tracts this year, so I may have to pick some up from the the Christian Bookstore. I attach them to the [Halloween] treats and when the kiddos come a-knockin, I hand them a treat and a tract :). For some reason, even when my lights are off the kiddos still knock on my door. It used to creep me out but I'm used to it now.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - News Network 18 Comments [10/13/2017 11:33:51 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 132910

The gaydar AI algorithm would peg this face [picture of Mary Wollstonecraft] as a rugmuncher mug.

Wollstonecraft married, but in the 18th Century it would have been common for lesbians and gays to marry into heterosexual relationships.

The origin of modern feminism — the particularly nasty and virulent form of feminism that seeks to invert the sexual market to the perceived benefit of ugly women by removing all constraints on female sexuality and stripping moral agency from women, while maximally restricting and pathologizing male sexuality and burdening men with all moral responsibility — was disproportionately a Jewish and ugly woman movement. The book that begat modern feminism was The Feminine Mystique, by Jewish woman Betty Friedan.

What followed in Friedan’s wake was a freak parade of uglier and uglier women fronting the modern feminist agenda, and enacting their warped vision of the sexes into policy (e.g. Title IX).

Steve Sailer argues feminism is a WASP concept, and 20th Century Jewish immigration and dominance in media and Hollywood actually delayed the triumph of feminism (seen in the WASPs passing Female Suffrage and Prohibition), because Jewish men, like all Semitic men, evolved in a patriarchal and ethnocentric culture and didn’t see a need to extend respect to shiksas.

Maybe proto-feminism is WASPy, but that doesn’t explain the Jewishness of modern feminism, unless one considers Jewish feminism an ethnic-scale case of intratribal negative transference. Jewish female feminists were rebelling against their patriarchal religion (and seething with resentment against their Jewish men lusting after pretty Gentile women), but as is the wont of their tribe they organized their resistance around defiance of the Gentile soft-patriarchy culture of comfortably accepted sex roles and sex-based preferences, instead of targeting their attacks against their own Swinesteins. They transferred the cause of their bad feelings onto the contemptible goyium.

Jewish-led feminism was actually a reaction to their own anti-feminist ethnic culture. But since Jewish men, like all men, are more interested than are women in acquiring status and power to exchange for sex, the heights of industries like Hollywood filled with patriarchal Jewish men instead of feminist Jewish women.

That’s not the end of the story. Jewish men eventually caught on that hypocritically espousing the radical feminism of their tribeswomen was a great stick with which to beat goy society and poison relations between Gentile men and their women….and also to fool naive feminists into bed using the “Hugo Schwyzer” male feminist ruse. If you’re a casting couch sleazebag running a de facto brothel for skanky actress wannabes, posturing like a champion of women’s lib is an effective way to keep the heat off you and your whores satisfied with a pittance of hush money and empty promises.

When one sees feminism, and especially modern feminism, through the lens of homosexuality, ugliness, and Jewishness, the tenets and demands of the twisted ideology begin to make sense.

Lesbians resent men. They love feminism because they want to be men in every way that matters, and that means they have a stake in undermining sex-differentiated norms and even sexual dichotomy.

Lesbian Feminism is the agenda of making unfeminine women into second rate men rather than first rate women.

Ugly women resent pretty women. They love feminism because they want to reduce the competitive advantages pretty women enjoy by enforcing equality and uniformity among women. Ugly women also love feminism because they understand on a deep level that they are too ugly to find a provider husband and must pursue careerism to collect the resources themselves.

Ugly Woman Feminism is the agenda of pitting the bottom quarter of women against the top three quarters of women.

Jewish women resent their patriarchal culture and Gentile social norms. They love feminism because it subverts the traditions of their ethnic religion and gives them cover to corrupt the benignly sex-differentiated Christian culture which largely rejects the radical value system of Jewish women.

Jewish Feminism is the agenda of delegitimizing patriarchal Judaism/Semitism and of poisoning the benevolent sexism of Christian Gentile culture.

Put those three origins of modern (and proto-) feminism together — the lesbian, the ugly, and the Jewish — into one monstrous frankenshrew, and you get intersectional insanity like “white male privilege”, the UVA rape hoax scandal, and the constant invocation of the mythological discriminatory “wage gap“. Not to mention the gross anti-male injustice known as the family court industrial complex.

PS Even WASP feminism is tainted in origin. Prohibition was a failure, and Female Suffrage has inarguably shifted America politically leftward and into the waiting petri dish of Poz.

CH, Chateau Heartiste 6 Comments [10/13/2017 1:59:21 AM]
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Quote# 132957

It’s a secret society that claims its followers descended from a “master Aryan race” on Atlantis and that ­humans once lived on the moon. Homosexuality is banned, corporal punishment encouraged and members atone for bad karma in past lives. Young women, denied higher education, are often married off to older men in the group, former members say.

Some male devotees have ­undergone weapons training to prepare for the end of the world, which is coming soon. But this doomsday cult isn’t hidden away in some rural ­bunker — it operates out of a brownstone in Murray Hill.

Every Thursday evening, dozens of congregants line up on East 35th Street for the group’s weekly meeting. Their leader of the flock, Tom Baer, 73, preaches from the center of the room, reading from pieces of paper. Members don’t have religious texts to follow along and aren’t allowed to take notes. In official documents, the tax-exempt church is called Congregation for the Light. To members, it’s just “the Light.”

The group has about 200 members in New York, and there are congregations in Washington, DC, and Atlanta, Baer and ex-followers say.

“It’s the cult next door to every New Yorker, and no one even knows that it’s there,” said an ­exiled member.

The former worshiper, a Manhattan woman who spoke on the condition of ­anonymity because she fears retribution, joined the group in 2003 while dating a man who was raised in it. “I totally wanted to know what was going on,” she said, adding that her boyfriend assured her it was “nothing creepy .?.?. just the basic tenets of all religions.”

The deeper she got, the more skeptical she became. Baer spoke to her of battling evil people in lucid dreams and how cancer and other illnesses were the result of karma, not health habits, genetics or environment. She noted Baer’s repeated, odd mispronunciation of “awry” as ­“ow-ree.”

The Light dates back to at least the 1960s and has met in Murray Hill since the ’70s, though members are taught that the church dates to the 19th century. Much of what the group believes is shrouded in secrecy, though former members say it has a lot to do with karma, reincarnation and the end of the human race.

The former worshiper was shocked that attendance at weekly meetings was mandatory; absences for vacation or higher education were not excused. When she asked a fellow member if her teenage daughter would ­attend Harvard or Yale, the woman responded: “What are you talking about? She’ll go to a local community college. She has to attend Thursday night meetings.”

She was warned not to share the Light with others, and she kept her membership secret from her closest friends.

“Everything is ambiguous,” she said. “And if you ask, you’re told, ‘You just don’t remember. You’ll remember when you’re supposed to .?.?. Try to control your dreams, and tonight you’ll remember a symbol.’?”

But she wouldn’t stop asking questions.

During a meeting at the end of the year, ­everyone was handed a white ­envelope — except for her. The next day, she joined her boyfriend, who had since become her fiancé, and his parents for dinner.

The food wasn’t even served before her ­fiancé’s mother stood at the table and announced: “If you think you’re marrying him, you’re nuts. I remember you from 10,000 years ago, and you tried to bring down the Light. “We are launching a spiritual intervention to save his soul,” the would-be mother-in-law said.

Shattered, the young woman was driven home and told never to speak to her fiancé again. Two months later, he was married off to a fellow Light member. The white envelopes had been invitations to a special meeting to sabotage her engagement to the man who brought her into the Light in the first place. “I felt like I was in a movie,” she recalled. “I didn’t realize the kind of power Tom [Baer] had. That the Light had.”

Paul Arthur Miller was 18 when he found himself among a dozen young men in a secluded nook of the Adirondack Mountains. He had received instructions on what to pack for the three-day trip reserved only for elite members of the “Light Patrol.” The troop was led by two ­believers, ex-Army paratroopers who taught the youngsters how to track footprints, the basics of camping and other survival skills.

He didn’t realize the training would include firing M14 automatic rifles into an abandoned junk heap or training in hand-to-hand combat in preparation for the apocalypse. “The belief is that Planet Earth will be ending soon and we would have to defend our people and safeguard our food and supplies,” recalled Miller, now a ­58-year-old West Village writer.

“They changed the doomsday date at least twice,” he said. “We were told it was imminent, weeks or months. People in the cult wouldn’t have dental work done because they thought, ‘Why bother?’?”

Miller was born into the group and worked 17 years for Baer’s furniture company in Harrison, Westchester County, which employed many Light members. “I felt like a prisoner,” Miller said. “I felt like an indentured slave.” He stayed through the tenures of two Light leaders across 30 years — each with his own agendas and “personal beliefs.”

Morris Kates, chairman during the 1960s and ’70s, taught Miller that once the world ended, people would be reincarnated on ­another planet called “Nay.” There, they would be one gender — and have no stomachs. Joseph Denton, Kates’ successor and a former Southern Baptist, tried banning the Internet and some TV.

Baer took the reins when Denton died in 2001. He had married into the Light in the 1960s after hitching a ride with a West­chester-bound follower and meeting his future wife.

Miller said the three leaders had one thing in common — they tried to erase his homosexuality, which they considered “a hangover from the Roman Empire.” He was ordered to date women in the Light. After one meeting, Kates cornered him and said, “Who is this guy who comes to stay with you on weekends? Is he a faggot?”

Miller was ordered to dump his boyfriend and to begin dating a woman in the Light. He saw her on and off for five years to keep up appearances Despite this, Miller said he was a favorite of Kates, who used to announce during weekly lectures, “Paul and I have been friends for thousands and thousands of lives.”

The meetings would begin in the brownstone’s ground-floor auditorium around 7?p.m., when Kates announced, “Greetings, friends.” The teachings are rooted in 19th-century England, ex-followers and Baer say, where a husband and wife — known only as “the Wyeths” — woke from the same dream and wrote down the karmic tenets and symbols they remembered.

“They don’t give you any sources. There’s no dogma you can reference. It’s just word of mouth,” an ex-member said. “You just believe what you’re told.” The Light chairman instructs followers to obsessively look for symbols in dreams and their everyday lives.

Ex-members told The Post they couldn’t even have artwork or bric-a-brac in their homes unless it contained one of the signs, which include an “owl,” or watcher protecting Light members, and a cross with an “X,” the group’s greeting sign.

“They’re brainwashed. They’re obsessed,” said Miller, who is writing a screenplay on his experience in the Light. Members aren’t allowed to associate with “know-nots,” the term for people who aren’t in the Light.

“You were always told if you leave the Light, you’re subjected to evil .?.?. because you don’t have protection,” Miller said.

Miller finally worked up the courage to leave the group in the 1990s. The last straw was a member spying on him as he dined with a male suitor. “How dare you be seen in a restaurant frequented by the Light with that blatant homosexual?” the member seethed.

Miller left a letter in Denton’s mailbox notifying him he was done. His parents left six months later. “My dad [later] apologized for getting us into this thing,” he said. He is estranged from his three sisters, who are still in the group. “I didn’t start living until I left the Light,” Miller said. “I want people to know it’s OK to leave, to reclaim their independence of thought and pursue their own life dreams.”

Another ex-follower, who requested anonymity, said he was booted from his home at age 15 because he questioned the teachings and refused to throw away his Black Sabbath records. “They believe in a master Aryan race .?.?. that lived on Atlantis,” he said, adding that black, red and yellow races existed, but a blue race was wiped out. “Once you get to a certain level, they start to tell you these things.

“They think they are otherworldly,” he added. “They carry themselves like they’re robotic .?.?. they’re not of this Earth, everything else is filth and [they] don’t want to associate.” He endured brutal beatings by his parents, who he believes were instructed by Kates. “I had this reputation of being a bad kid when I wasn’t,” said the ex-member. “I was an abused kid.”

His mother was told she was Kates’ daughter on Atlantis 10,000 years ago and believed she was a high priestess of the Light. “Everybody is brainwashed in this thing,” he said. “They’re conditioned to think and behave in a certain way, and it starts in childhood. Children are taught to fear.” The Light also teaches that children aren’t human until they reach the age of 13, he said.

The Light’s solution to his sister’s rebelliousness was to marry her off to a church bachelor in his 40s. “She was a gorgeous 19-year-old, and they married her off to this schlub,” the ex-member said. He said he struggled with post-traumatic stress disorder because of his upbringing in the group.

“If they want to clear their name of suspicion, they need to start answering questions,” he said. “They should maybe have a sign out in front of their building if they’re listed as a church.”

Another ex-member said he and his mother were forced to put money in a wooden box by the entrance before they jumped ship in the late ’70s. He remembers Kates announcing the group would incorporate as a church to get tax breaks. Shortly after, the member was kicked out for marrying a Catholic woman who refused to join the Light.

“There was always so much turmoil when someone chose a partner from the outside world,” he said, adding that parents often married their children off to other members in the group. “It was not uncommon for girls as young as 18 marrying .?.?. men who were quite a bit older,” he said.

The exiled follower said it took many years for him to get over the experience and that he has never shared more than superficial details with his adult children. “It still stands out as the worst time of my entire life,” he said. “But I was … fortunate enough to have people still in my life that loved me and helped me through it.”

Baer, a charming and sharply dressed man who uses a cane and believes he was an Apache in a past life, denies the group is a “cult.” “We’re not a religion. We’re what a church should be,” said the Ohio native. “The principles are to have a decent, sane and healthy life and to be responsible for our own actions.

We’re not a religion. We’re what a church should be. “You can’t do that in one life,” he added. “It’s impossible.”

Baer denied that the group supports corporal punishment, but said, “If I want to spank my kids, it’s no one else’s business .?.?. Even Jesus said, ‘Spare the rod and spoil the child.’ But it’s not what you do first.” The preacher said children aren’t indoctrinated until they are teens and that if a child dies before age 13, it’s because they committed suicide in a previous life.

Congregation for the Light runs a nonprofit named after Kates, who died in the late 1970s. The foundation’s address is at a Brooklyn auto shop. The group’s revenues were $116,860 in 2012 and $338,429 in 2011, tax forms show. The documents reveal a vague accounting of expenses, which include $84,000 for “totally physically and mentally disabled, total care, assistance for nurses’ aides.”

Baer, who lives on an upper floor of the Light’s brownstone, said the nonprofit gets 10 percent of its funds from donations and the rest from estates when members die. The group pays for members who are down on their luck and for their home care. “It’s not a cult. It’s not a scam,” Baer said. “You can come 3,000 times and you’re not going to have to pay a dime.”

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