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Quote# 52680

My 7 year old is smart enough to look at his toys and know they didn't just get there by chance. Those toys did not just evolve out of a premordial soup, no, those simple toys had a Maker.
How much more so the complexity of the Sun, or even our cells, so complex, but we are expected to believe that something that complex just arrived by chance.
You can believe that, but as for me, I believe in God, and I believe that God came down in the person of Jesus to save us from our sins.

Laurie, boston 62 Comments [11/23/2008 6:08:00 AM]
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Quote# 140880

This meme from Occupy Democrats says that anti-Semitic hate crimes rose by 60% last year, which brings visions of the Klan and neo-Nazis running amok In Trump’s America. This stat has been picked up by many mainstream media outlets as well, after a report from the ADL. However, after examining that report, this characterization seems quite misleading.

-The ADL reported 1,986 anti-Semitic hate crimes in 2017, up 57% from 1,267 in 2016. They break these hate crimes into 3 categories; vandalism, harassment and assault. Only the vandalism category had any meaningful increase.

-Most of these vandalism events occurred at schools and universities, and mainly involved swastikas being drawn. Vandalism events deemed hate crimes included things like windows broken at a Jewish school’s synagogue and nonsensical graffiti like “f*** you Nazi Jews”. These are despicable acts, but often it’s unclear who the perpetrators were, or their motivations. More likely they are immature teenagers than seasoned Klan members.

-Additionally, there have been several high profile cases where these sorts of graffiti were found to be hoaxes, like the incident at a Michigan university where a black man ended up being responsible for a series of KKK graffiti that caused much grief.

-As for the harassment category, the ADL decided to count bomb threats, which included over 150 incidents from a single person! This was committed by an Israeli-US teen, who was Jewish, that received international attention once he was caught.

-Another dozen bomb threats came from Juan Thompson, the deranged former journalist, who was harassing his ex-girlfriend. Ironically, he was trying to get her in trouble for framing him, by pretending she made the threats. These two incidents had nothing to do with being anti-Semitic, yet resulted in 163 of the total reported hate crimes, which puts into question the entire methodology. Without these bomb threats, harassment was roughly the same as 2016.

-What about assaults? This seems to be the most important category, and what most would envision when they hear “hate crimes”. Assaults actually DECREASED from 36 to 19, a 47% drop. Less than 1% of these hate crimes involved assault.

-A different meme could tout the plunge in anti-Semitic assaults in 2017 and claim the opposite narrative here, making it misleading.

The Meme Policeman, Facebook 14 Comments [10/13/2018 11:42:42 AM]
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Quote# 140981

Not really. Most of us (and most conservatives through history) haven’t given a damn what a person does in the privacy of their own home. It’s only after they started telling us all they needed special privileges and became missionaries for homosexuality that we objected.

“Homosexual” and “missionary” may be oxymoronic however.

bigbob, Free Republic 11 Comments [10/18/2018 5:59:06 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 140966

According to the Muslim holy (unholy) book, the Hadith, Muslims must never face Mecca while using the toilet and have strict rules on which hand to wipe themselves with. If they urinate on themselves and fail to wash (cleanse) themselves with water, they sincerely believe they'll go to hell. I used to work with a Muslim who took a quirt bottle with him to the bathroom all the time. He daily tossed his carpet down multiple times during breaks and faced Mecca, praying in cycle with the moon to his false moon god, Allah. No wonder Jesus said in Matthew 11:28, “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”

I was harassed severely at work for trying to witness to that Muslim man. Certain heathen coworkers hated my guts because I took a stand for the Lord, and persecuted me daily to the point of tears. Their attitude was the typical heretical New Age philosophy that all roads lead to Rome. May I say, all flights do not go to Dallas, Texas. Jesus is the ONLY way you'll ever get to Heaven (Acts 4:10-12). Of course, Muslims deny that Jesus is the Christ, nor do they believe that He even died upon the cross. I don't regret standing for the Lord, but I paid dearly for it and I know God will bless me for it...

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 20 Comments [10/18/2018 5:53:50 AM]
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Quote# 140984

(He's referring to Taylor Swift)

A pop deva descending deeper and deeper into darkness.

By the time she is 40 she will be a complete mess like Jackson, Winehouse, etc.

The devil knows when to take them. When they are completely his.

King Wenceslas, Cathinfo 18 Comments [10/18/2018 5:59:28 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 140990

The homosexual community are infested with masculine females and effeminate males.

This very fact evidences that homosexuality is against nature. When two lesbians cohabit, one always assumes the male dominant role. Masculine lesbians are called “dykes” or a “butch.” Likewise, the same is true for two homosexual men, but in this case, one male takes on a female role (thus becoming effeminate). This sick reality proves that no one is born “that way.” In any homosexual relationship, one partner will always assume the male role and the other a female role.

The reason why homosexual men often grow large mustaches is to simulate the female's sex organ during oral sex with another man. That's the gross and harsh reality of homosexuality. Nature itself teaches that homosexuality is a sick, bizarre, abnormal, demented, Godless form of perversion. God hates all sin, including homosexuality.

The lowest point that any society can deteriorate to is a homosexual culture. Most Americans don't realize the extent to which America has sunk low in wickedness. Parents are paranoid nationwide about sex-perverts raping their children. There is an irrefutable connection between open sexual immorality, homosexuality and pedophile. Sexual immorality always preys upon innocence. Pedophilia is the natural trend of homosexuality, because it is perversion. One perversion invites another.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 26 Comments [10/18/2018 5:15:11 PM]
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Quote# 124799

If you can say YES to ANY of the following questions, then you have an Incubus or a Succubus (Sexual Spirits) in your home and URGENTLY need the assistance of The Church of Light.

Q: Do you see signs of something invisible sitting or your bed, or feel an invisible person trying to get into bed with you?

Q: Do you feel or sense an invisible body lying next to you or an invisible force touching you intimately when you are in bed?

Q: Do you hear the sound of a Horse in your bedroom?

Q; Are you seeing the shape of a horse forming in the corner of the room?

Q; Do you feel a weight pushing down on your chest when in bed?

Disturbances at night time, particularly when we are asleep or trying to sleep, can mean the presence of an Incubus or Succubus if there is an invisible contact being made.

An Incubus preys on females, while a Succubus prefers males.

Both are Sexual Spirits and both will become more powerful and stronger in their intention the longer they are present in your home.

Their ultimate goal is to have sex with their victim.

Colin Harrison, The Church of Light 29 Comments [2/23/2017 4:44:37 AM]
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Submitted By: Citizen Justin

Quote# 52705

Atheists: Have you really considered the full implication of your views?

The Atheists on R&S just shrug their shoulders and say " I know of no God, therefore no such God exists."


This blithe indifference and insouciance cannot go unpunished in the arena of intellectual and philosophical discourse.

The Atheists need to understand that there are consequences to their denial of the divine. They have chosen to refute the harmony of the cosmos and the natural order together with its laws, they have chosen to reject the purposeful creative power manifested in their very selves.

When you reject the fact that life has its origin in the divine, you present a dark and void alternative...a material and anarchic universe, blind and meaningless.

Is this what you really want?

Nathaniel Winthrop, Yahoo! Answers 61 Comments [11/22/2008 12:33:41 PM]
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Submitted By: Voice of Logic

Quote# 52890

Twelve Myths of Modern Science
As a biochemist, I have concluded that the greatest hoaxes perpetrated by the contemporary scientific establishment are:

1. Evolution.
Never observed, and therefore not capable of being classed as proper science.

2. Old Earth theory.
In spite of the Word of God, and all the geological evidence, the Establishment tries to convince us the earth is billions of years old in order to justify their theory of evolution.

3. Heliocentrism.
Watch the sun. Observe it with your eyes, and trust your instincts. And now tell me the earth is hurtling past the sun at close to the speed of light.

4. Solid Earth theory.
Disproved by geologists in Siberia in 2002. Findings covered up by the Establishment.

5. Existence of the Higgs Particle.
Entirely speculative. Based on theory, not proper science. Disgraceful, self-serving excuse for money-draining experiment in Geneva which jeopardises the future of mankind.

6. Vaccination.
So let's get this straight... to stop someone getting a disease you inject it straight into their bloodstream??? Yeah, WHATEVER!

7. Moon Landings.
Yip - look at the photos and see 'astronauts' leap out of their own shadows!!! In other photos, apparently flags can cast shadows but 'astronauts' can't!!!!!

8. Moon determines tides.
This particular myth was spread to science to boost the pagan cult of the moon god, which stems from the ancient belief that the moon had some sort of magical power. It is a light in the sky given by God as a gift to mankind - nothing more, nothing less.

9. Smoking causes cancer .
How the drug corporations love this one!!! An opportunity to make megabucks through the marketing of anti-addiction drugs!!! Odd that for centuries the Red Indians used tobacco to fight colds and flus... ie. it was a HEALTH BENEFIT not a HEALTH RISK. But apparently western 'science' knows best.

10. Satellites
Atheists mock Christians for believing in young earth creationism - yet these very same people believe there are thousands of little metal boxes buzzing over the earth communicating signals to computers everywhere!!!! Think about this rationally, folks. If something is put into outer space, it will float away. It will not simply hover above the earth. What a stupid and nonsensical idea!!

11. Psychiatry
A money-earning fad for the pharmaceutical industry and for failed 'doctors'. Psychiatry kills, simple as that. ALL PSYCHIATRISTS ARE BREAKING THE HYPOCRATIC OATH.

12. Global Warming
How could we forget this one? This is pure junk science. Thirty years ago scientists were telling us we were about to enter a new ice age, and now apparently the earth's temperature is rocketing!!!! What utter nonsense. Almighty God determines the temperature of this planet, and the only 'global warming' it will experience will come when he decides to burn it all in an almighty fireball, just like He says He will in the Bible.


Garvan Ellison, The Garvanian 160 Comments [11/22/2008 4:32:58 PM]
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Submitted By: sandman

Quote# 52678

Was there ever a sub-species of human beings as useless as atheists?? They define themselves by what they do not believe, and what they do believe is vague, and unable to withstand the rough and tumble of the real world. They tear down the Cathedral of Christendom, re-name it the ever-so-bland Western Civilisation, and build a 'potting shed' in its place. This little shed, unable to cope with the demands of real life, is now making deals with the Islamic world in the hope of fortifying itself and masking its weakness'. Apparently, in Atheist La-La land, the imperative to reproduce is simply one of many options - and not a very good one at that. You see, it interferes with that first demand of the perfect atheist life, the demand to fulfill oneself. This is obvious in the secondary status accorded to motherhood and childrearing and complimented by the introduction of the vile abortion and the norm of contraception. Self-fulfillment through career - and pleasure seeking - are more important than children and family they signal. Oh yeah?! You will pay through the nose for that spectacular, 'flying in the face of reality' gaffe, O Enlightened Ones.

For, since the introduction of legalised abortion and the invention of the Pill, birthrates in the developed, Secular nations of the world have plummetted severely, with catastrophic economic and social results. The final disintegration and collapse of Western Civilisation is within sight. To mask such a dramatic and perturbing scenario, and to rationalise their committment to the strangulating effects of abortion and contraception, the atheist powers that be are importing the children of other women to supplement their own dwindling populations. A type of self-induced ethnic cleansing of the most peculiar kind!! And of course, atheists wear a smile through it all, because hey, they are the clever ones, the 'progressive' ones who brought humanity out of the 'Dark Ages' of Christianity into the light, bright happy clappy, paradise of Atheism (albeit with the West facing its doom, but let's pretend its not.) And they are never wrong: never, ever, ever wrong - unlike Christians, you know!

Was there ever such a useless subspecies of human being as the eternally stupid atheists?

Amaqula, Has the Catholic Church been vindicated? 57 Comments [11/22/2008 8:37:26 PM]
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Quote# 52681

I haven't read all the comments on here but I did read a handfull of em' and was quite disturbed by the lack of belief in Jesus Christ. Your comment was right on the money and I couldn't have said it better myself. I would rather believe and then be disappointed to find out that He doesn't exist than to not believe and find out that He does! Hell is a real place and I once read a quote that I will always remember.... "Earth is the only hell christian will ever know. However, earth is the only heaven a non-believer will know. "

Rickey Bueno, boston 31 Comments [11/22/2008 8:38:21 PM]
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Quote# 52760

I remember that I was 17 years of age. I was still in high school. My enjoyment after school was seeking the LORD and reading the bible. I remember one day that I would watch Benny Hinn. Every day after school I would watch him. When my family came home from work, they did not like this, so they would change the channel on me almost all the time. So I asked the LORD to make every channel TBN, which is the best Christian network out there.

The next day, my Mother turned on the TV to check the weather. To her amazement every single channel was TBN and had Benny Hinn preaching the Gospel.She tried to change it, but it didn't work. She called the cable company up and made a complaint. When the technician arrived, he could not fix the cable box and said that he has never seen anything like this before. There was no explanation of why the cable receiver was not working. Through this miracle, it testified to the reality of God, as he has the power to invade this physical world and is not restrained by what we believe, but moves upon our faith in him.

Stephen Choate, Speak God Speak 137 Comments [11/22/2008 8:47:41 PM]
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Quote# 140956

I am aware the question in this article’s title presupposes a change of some sort is necessary. My presupposition is grounded in the authority of God’s Word. Secondary to that—I am a Christian and a former homosexual.

Having now used that inadequate and puzzling term former homosexual, let me try to decipher the lingo and properly answer the question.

Moving the fridge

A story will help. A man glances out his home window and sees his neighbor. The neighbor has his pick-up truck backed to his side door, both the storm and main doors are propped open and a refrigerator blocks the doorway. Obviously the fridge is being moved and help is needed, so the friendly onlooker rushes to help his red-faced neighbor.

“Need a hand with that refrigerator, Fred?” asks Steven as he throws himself into the task. “Sure do! This thing weighs more than I thought!”

Fred and Steven throw their muscular arms around the appliance. With sweat rolling down their faces, they grunt and strain as the fridge moves a quarter of an inch then stops. They reposition their arms. The fridge barely sways even though both men are winded. After wrestling with the stubborn refrigerator for a full ten minutes, Steven gasps “Fred, I don’t believe we’re ever going to get this thing in the house.” “In the house!” exclaims Fred, “I’m trying to get it in the truck!”

The point is apparent—without a clear and focused understating of what direction the homosexual needs to go, he will progress no further than the refrigerator.

What needs to change?

An illustration will help. Imagine a very thin lady seated at a dinner table. She fidgets with her food, spoons it from one side of her plate to the other, eats little if anything, then excuses herself from the table.

“How can a visibly gaunt woman eat so little or not at all?”, we ask. Our observation could lead us to two premises—either she dislikes food or she is not hungry. If we accept the first premise—that she dislikes food—our sympathetic approach might include a variety of recommendations.

We inquire about the type of food she does like—maybe fast food, Mexican or Chinese. If not perhaps the immaculate look of a seven-course meal appeals to her appetite. Perchance she prefers her food prepared a certain way—broiled versus fried, rare versus well done. If none of these recommendations help, she could have sitophobia—a fear of food.

Let’s now assume the second premise—that she is not hungry. If this suspicion is true she may be suffering from a malfunctioning metabolism. We make a doctor’s appointment for her. The physician suspects a thyroid condition and orders blood work. And it’s possible she has hypogeusia—a diminished sense of taste.

But as persistent as we’ve been, all approaches make little difference in this lady’s eating habits, or lack thereof. She eats very little and infrequently! Our methods have been genuine, compassionate, and justifiable. We have devoted considerable time in our quest to correct the dilemma, but to no avail.

The puzzle comes together

However, if we learn this woman is anorexic, our approach changes dramatically and immediately. We realize our initial assumptions and strategies are ludicrous and laughable because they do not bear on the primary issue—a distorted self image.

When this self-starved lady looks in the mirror she sees an obese lady looking back and no amount of persuasion will convince her otherwise.

When this primary issue is addressed, her food intake as well as the frequency of her eating increases. But take note—her increased eating is a byproduct of confronting the main issue—a distorted self-image. And I use the term image not only from a clinical perspective but a biblical one. Genesis 1:26-27 reads,

“And God said, ‘Let us make man in our image, after our likeness’… So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.” (Emphasis added)

Now the analogy

How does this illustration apply to the homosexual condition? Just as it is absurd for the anorexic’s family and friends to focus on trying to make her eat, so it is absurd for churches to try and make the homosexual heterosexual.

Society in general and churches in particular mistakenly believe freedom from homosexuality is marrying, having 2.3 children and a dog in the back yard. A 2001 secular study on the possibility of change shows the depth of this ingrained “doctrine.” Dr Robert Spitzer, a Columbia University professor interviewed men and women who said they used to be homosexual; I was one of many he questioned. As beneficial as his study was and as much as I appreciate the visibility it gave to change, his study measured heterosexual function of the former homosexual—again missing the real issue.

“But” you ask, “don’t homosexuals need to become heterosexuals?” No! Scripture never states nor implies all people must be heterosexual; it does say explicitly, however, that we are to avoid all forms of sexual immorality, which includes homosexuality. With that in mind have we not at times given the impression that homosexuals must “convert” to heterosexuality? Jesus did not say “Go and make [heterosexuals]”; He said “go and make disciples.”

The opposite of homosexuality is holiness
“But” you ask, “isn’t heterosexuality the opposite of homosexuality?” No! The opposite of homosexuality is holiness!

As I wrote earlier, the term former homosexual is inadequate if not inappropriate. We mistakenly think a person who has found freedom from same-sex attractions is now heterosexual. The former homosexual man or woman may now experience heterosexual feelings, but heterosexuality should never be his nor the churches’ goal. Heterosexuality is in many cases, but not all, a byproduct of the homosexual’s dealing with the primary issues—a distorted self-image and faulty thinking—both of which Satan uses to “gain control.”

Singleness is not a sin, immorality is
The church will do well to remember that singleness is not a sin, immorality is.

What all this means is that most of churches’ advice to the homosexual misses the mark entirely!

Advice well-meant, but wrong

Telling an adult gay son “you just need to date more; you haven’t met the right girl” is senseless. Suggesting your lesbian friend “marry, settle down and everything will work out” is imprudent. Many gay men and women have married, thinking marriage will “heal” them and in most cases the consequences have been disastrous.

Some, hopefully not Christians, suggest a gay man “find a woman who can make you a man.” While I’ve never heard a Christian give such advice, I did have a twenty-seven year old gay man share the following with me. He said he was fifteen when his “Christian” father learned of his homosexual struggle. To “help” his son the father bought him a subscription to Playboy magazine. That’s equivalent to serving roast duck to the anorexic.

God does not heal one form of immorality with another form of immorality! How effective is a machine gun against a tidal wave?

“For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms” (Eph. 6:12).

One married struggler told me his well-meaning pastor recommended he have more sex with his wife. Although the Bible does command conjugal rights (I Cor. 7:3-4), the pastor’s advice bypassed the real issue.

Another pastor prayed with an unusually handsome and struggling man, then told him “I’ve got a really nice girl in the church I want you to meet.”

A Christian friend who knows my testimony, met my wife Lisa and said “I can see why you left homosexuality; your wife is beautiful.” While he is correct that Lisa is beautiful, his statement, like so many, represents a global ignorance on the subject. If attractive women were the remedy for male homosexuality, there would be no gay men.

Many gay men ask me how to cultivate a romantic/sexual attraction to women. I tell them that is not the issue; the issue is a distorted/broken image. (I have often thought how devious our adversary is. He not only confuses men and women regarding their sexual identity, he also confuses them and the church as to what healing really is, thus compounding the problem.)

By dealing with the primary issue, gay men begin to see themselves as masculine and lesbians begin to see themselves as feminine; the same-sex attractions diminish and in many cases opposite-sex attractions occur.

Not a means to an end

During my own journey out of homosexuality I made a significant discovery—Jesus Christ is not a means to an end. He is the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. I did not go to Christ to get something else, namely heterosexuality. I went to Christ to get HIM!

When we learn this truth, we will witness prison doors falling off their hinges and chains disintegrating.

Tim Wilkins, Christian Answers 9 Comments [10/18/2018 5:51:31 AM]
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Quote# 140949

There is no convincing you is there?

Even with the stark facts in front of you you want to play with words...just as the entire rank and file of the antichrist do.

This dynamic energy is rich in potential...Galaxies are structured from it and you and I are too. This is why I can safely say that our abuse of it disturbs our own, individual, genetic code....sometimes in an evolutionary sense, sometimes in a righteous sense, sometimes in a wild, frenzied, evil sense...but, never-the-less, we can't escape its interference until we are dead and then we are stuck in the the ether in an inconsequential, boring sense, unless we can be resurrected...and that is what Jesus Christ offers those who participate in his, accurate, righteous science.

Soon the ether will be swept clean by the invading planetary bodies Biblically called Wormwood and the fiery lake of sulphur, and so we need to look for the signs and maneuver ourselves into salvation...only achievable by following Jesus Christ accurately. There is wriggle room, but not for the antichrist.

NicholasMarks, Religion and Ethics 7 Comments [10/18/2018 5:49:51 AM]
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Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 52520

What is it to me? Let's see...what about God ordaining marriage as a specific thing? Let's not get into the faulty analogy of comparing gay "marriage" and Prop 8 with racial bans in the past. In CA, the will of the people in Prop 22 was overturned with no real legal basis. So Prop 8 is the voice of the people saying to those judges - We said "no" to gay marriage before, and we MEAN it.

CRoadwarrior, gay marriage comments 31 Comments [11/21/2008 6:46:55 PM]
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Quote# 52690

Where did the stuff that the sun is made of come from? The "Big Bang"? Where did that stuff come from? point to anything and ask..." where did that come from" and then ask where your answer came from.

God made that sun as He made every sun.

Jason, boston 37 Comments [11/22/2008 11:16:11 AM]
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Quote# 140960

The left has yet to offer any real hope to humanity, only lies and self-worshiping nihilism. There is no future in it, though it obsesses over the future. It's a hollow pseudo-religion, attempting to give meaning without admitting that meaning exists. That's why it's a joke.

[deleted], r/EnoughCommieSpam 7 Comments [10/18/2018 5:52:51 AM]
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Quote# 140980

I was referring to the Kaafir who wants to elope with a sister,

Teaching him a lesson is assault according to you, I'm not so sure if the Shariah would see it that way,

Sins have punishments associated with them, I'm sure you know this, so we cant make blanket claims to say its assault to teach a Kaafir a lesson,

Yiur speaking from western law, not the Shariah,

According to the Shariah teaching a Kaafir who wants to elope with a sister a lesson, isn't Assault.

Saif-Uddin, Ummah 7 Comments [10/18/2018 5:58:44 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 140869

Drunk chick gets in car with man she doesn’t know to do a line of coke, ends up getting raped.Totally didn’t see that coming!Utterly shocked that Grand Jury won’t indict!The state of rape in the USA.

Every time I write a piece about rape, I think to myself, “okay, that’s it. I am done with this subject”.But then I run across stories like this one and I just can’t…..


Here is the story, quick and dirty:Gina Tron goes to a bar to meet some friends and she gets drunk.Some guy she doesn’t know is there, but she assumes he is with the group.He’s lean and swarthy and has a “disconnected” look in his eyes.He makes her nervous. But then he offers her cocaine, and hey, cocaine!She sets aside all her misgivings, and gets in the car with a guy she doesn’t know, who makes her nervous and who is “disconnected”.

Because cocaine?

What the fuck, Gina. Seriously. What the fuck are you doing?Gina ends up locked in the car with this guy, they drive to his apartment, she goes with him and whatever happened next, Gina considers it rape.She is transfixed by the 666 tattoo across his abdomen, and based on how Gina describes the guy, it’s a complete and utter shock that he would have such a thing, right?

He said, she said. Okay.Whatever Gina.

You know what kills me about this case?That three other women report the same thing happened to them. THREE!There are at least three women who are so unconcerned with their own safety and well-being, they put themselves in the exact same situation.

Parts of Gina’s story are bizarre, too.She went to the guy’s apartment.She knows where he lives.Why does she need to spend hours looking at mug-shots then?So she can ID him and then find out where he lives?She KNOWS where he lives.It makes no sense.

And she claims the defence attorney had incriminating character evidence against her at the Grand Jury trial, except Grand Jury trials don’t have defence attorneys and there is no cross-examination of any kind.The Grand Jury just considers whether there is the tiniest shred of evidence to have the case proceed to trial.In Gina’s case, the answer was nope.


The other two women who were allegedly assaulted by the same man declined to take part in the trial.

Let’s just assume for one moment that Gina is telling the god’s honest truth and the story played out exactly as she said.The commenters at Vice, and at Slate, where Amanda Marcotte (big surprise!) picked up the story use the same analogy over and over again:

Someone’s new car gets stolen, and the police respond that having a nice, new car is just asking for someone to steal it. A man walks down the street in an expensive suit. When he gets robbed, the officer tells him that his outfit was just a come-on for thieves, and, besides, he had been seen giving money away, and how did anyone know for sure that he didn’t give his money to the thief and just change his mind about it later.Dea Henrich

If a man is walking down the street in a $10000 suit wearing a Rolex watch and someone jumps him and robs him, no one ever says it was not robbery because he “wanted it.” They never say it was HIS fault for dressing in a way to indicate he had wealth worth taking. If he is counting hundred dollar bills while walking down the street and gets mugged they don’t say it was not a crime because his actions led the attacker on. Nor do they dredge up things like, he likes to play poker therefore he has a history of willingly losing money. If someone steals a car they don’t declare it’s not stolen because the owner did not defend himself and fight back hard enough.Ethan Wallace


Really?Let’s take a look at that, shall we?

Here’s a story from Boston University that is roughly parallel.

A research assistant from the BU Medical Campus was stabbed, punched, and robbed of an iPad by two assailants at 8:32 p.m. Tuesday at the corner of Pleasant Street and Browne Street in Brookline. The victim, a 30-year-old postdoctoral fellow, was treated at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center for two superficial stab wounds.


Yikes!Stabbed for an iPad.That seems a little harsh.Surely the commenters at the Boston U story are calling for the criminal to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, and offering their heartfelt condolences to the victim.


Looks like maybe not.

When you move out of on-campus housing, this is a risk you have to expect. Instead of blaming BU, students should learn not to walk with their iDevices out and their heads buried in them. All of the people that nearly slam into me everyday with their head mashed in their phones become prime targets at night when they walk down dark side-streets that way.Anonymous on 01.30.2013 at 8:00 am

I’m born and raised from Boston (not outside of Boston, the inner city of Boston) and when I hear about these things happening it doesn’t surprise me. Inner city kids know that a lot of wealthy kids go to BU. They know that students have laptops and electronics on them. Automatically you are talented. I grew up surrounded by this mentality.

The point is, all of us students need to be smart and aware of our surroundings. Don’t walk alone at night. Don’t have your cell phone in your hand or out at all. Walk swift and with a purpose. If you see people walking towards you, cross the street. Don’t keep your hood up so you can keep your peripheral vision.

Street smarts people. If you aren’t from a city, start learning them.Local Girl on 01.30.2013 at 5:32 pm

Just because we “shouldn’t have to be afraid” of getting mugged doesn’t mean we shouldn’t take precautions ourselves. You certainly won’t see me walking around with my nose buried in my iPhone or iPad (not that we know that was the case with this robbery, but still). I value those possessions and value my safety, so I can wait to tweet or send that text until I get home. Of course having these things out of sight will not guarantee I don’t get mugged, but it certainly makes me look like less of an easy target.BU Student with Common Sense on 01.30.2013 at 1:51 pm

What, exactly, is it about demonstrating just one iota of common sense that feminists hate so much?What part of “don’t get in a car and do coke with a guy who makes you uneasy and who is completely unknown to you” is unfair or unreasonable to expect?

I think Amanda’s spin on the story is rather revealing:

Women, it turns out, are in a perpetual state of consent unless they bring weapons to bars and are able to wield those weapons against rapists who have made it clear that they are willing to beat you into submission.



Excellent suggestion, Amanda.Bring a weapon.The one located between your ears is probably the best bet:your BRAIN!!Do you fucking have one?

The Grand Jury refused to indict in this case because it defies the imagination that anyone could be so utterly, implausibly stupid.As soon as your story starts with, “well, I went out with this guy I never met before to do coke in his car”, everything else you have to say loses all credibility.

And apparently, a lot of women who recount their “rapes” to police will often do so in a way that invites police to think they are crazy, stupid, and probably lying.

When Tom Tremblay started working for the police department of Burlington, Vt., 30 years ago, he discovered that many of his fellow cops rarely believed a rape victim. This was true time after time, in dozens of cases. Tremblay could see why they were doubtful once he started interviewing the victims himself. The victims, most of them women, often had trouble recalling an attack or couldn’t give a chronological account of it. Some expressed no emotion. Others smiled or laughed as they described being assaulted.


Rebecca Ruiz, writing at Slate, goes on to explore how neurobiology explains the way women recount their rapes, comparing rape to PTSD or the kinds of trauma torture victims endure.It’s all very compelling information, chock full of fancy medical terms and explanations that sound tickety-boo.Women don’t lie about rape because SCIENCE!

In the past decade, neurobiology has evolved to explain why victims respond in ways that make it seem like they could be lying, even when they’re not. Using imaging technology, scientists can identify which parts of the brain are activated when a person contemplates a traumatic memory such as sexual assault. The brain’s prefrontal cortex—which is key to decision-making and memory—often becomes temporarily impaired. The amygdala, known to encode emotional experiences, begins to dominate, triggering the release of stress hormones and helping to record particular fragments of sensory information. Victims can also experience tonic immobility—a sensation of being frozen in place—or a dissociative state. These types of withdrawal result from extreme fear yet often make it appear as if the victim did not resist the assault.

But there is another explanation for fractured memories and laughter and total lack of credibility:women are not necessarily LYING about the fact they think they were raped, but they are nervous as hell about the fact that they did not take one single reasonable precaution to avoid putting themselves in a dangerous situation. Perhaps the “traumatic memory” they are recalling is just how brainless and idiotic they were in the first place.

Perhaps Tron really WAS raped, and perhaps the jury really did refuse to indict a serial rapist:I don’t live in Brooklyn, but even if I did, it wouldn’t frighten me to know this man was loose in the least.Why not?

I don’t do coke, and I sure as hell would not get in a car with a man I don’t know who makes me nervous.

See how easy that is?I value myself.It’s really that simple.When feminism insists that no woman should ever be required to consider her own safety and her own actions and only rapists should be held responsible for rape, they are essentially asking women to discount their own value.Don’t consider yourself smart, capable, sensible, rational or in any way responsible for yourself.

This is why I don’t understand why any woman would embrace feminism.Feminism doesn’t just hate men, IT HATES WOMEN.What kind of philosophy rests on the assumption that women are incapable of taking the tiniest measures to protect themselves? That it is somehow unfair if women are asked to observe their environments, make a rational assessment of threats, believe themselves capable of avoiding potential harm and deserving of their own protection?RationalCapableDeserving

Perhaps the reason so many women are floundering in their lives and suffering existential angst is because they have bought the story feminism is peddling:women are irrational, incapable and undeserving.Victims.Always victims.


The only definite thing Tron is a victim of is her own colossal idiocy.

Don’t take car rides from strangers.Every five year old knows this.How does anyone grow up to think car rides from strangers mixed with drunkenness and some cocaine is a good idea? No one deserves to be assaulted, but holy hell!

When five year olds show more sense than grown women, you know we have a problem.

And the solution is fairly simple:grow up ladies.You can make better choices.Really. Give it a try.Believe you are capable.Believe you are rational.Believe you are deserving.Because you are, no matter what your Daily Feminist Blogger tells you.

And remember, only do coke with people you know!

Lots of love,


Janet bloomfield, judgybitch 28 Comments [10/11/2018 4:05:38 AM]
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Quote# 140959

Isn’t it amazing how people, when they go through the woodchipper known as the “ex-gay industry,” consistently go one of two directions? They either end up back out of the closet and hopefully living healthier lives than before [even if it takes years and years for them to heal from the experience], or they end up cashing in at the teat of the people who brainwashed them in the first place, thus perpetuating the cycle of abuse. They never just end up being “ex-gay” and settling into a happy “ex-gay” life. No, they have to engender hatred toward the rest of the LGBT community.

So here’s an example of the latter, by the name of Tim Wilkins, speaking on a panel encouraging North Carolina to write discrimination into its constitution. Brian at Right Wing Watch sets it up:

Wilkins began his remarks by describing how he is “ashamed” of his “past homosexuality.”

Wilkins in fact, is a professional “ex-gay” activist whose ministry “stems from his own freedom from homosexuality some thirty years ago.” He is also a member of NARTH, the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, and organizes a conference that “addresses such topics as If a Friend Says ‘I’m gay’, Debunking the ‘Gay Gene’, ‘What’s a Parent to Do?’, Untwisting ‘Gay Theology’, Counseling the Homosexual, Preventing Homosexuality, and A Biblical Bridge Out of Homosexuality.’”


Wilkins argued that homosexuality should be reduced to a “temptation” just as Pluto… was relegated from its status as a planet to dwarf planet by the International Astronomical Union.

Oh, wow, this man must hate himself something fierce. Let’s watch the video together and I’ll live-blog it below:

First thirty seconds: “I once was gay but now am wingnut.” Amaaaaazing grace, etc.

0:30-1:00: Same sex marriages are “unequal” because two people of the same gender can’t possibly complement each other in a relationship, due to…

1:00-1:30: There are not enough various and sundry genitals in same-sex relationships, therefore they are not supporting diversity!

1:30-2:00: “I believe that same sex attraction is a temptation, not an orientation.” The fact that this conflicts with what every single mature adult scientist and mental health professional has to say on the matter is of no consequence, as that interferes with my being a wingnut.

2:00-2:30: The only real sexual orientation people have is sin. Dirty, dirty sin. If there was no sin, there would be no gayness, QED.

And to bring it home, 2:30 until the end: “Pluto… used to be a planet, a gay, gay planet, and then one day it went to Alan Chambers’ office and when it came out, it wasn’t a planet anymore! Pray away the gay planet!”

And scene.

Tim Wilkins, Truth Wins Out 5 Comments [10/18/2018 5:52:33 AM]
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Quote# 140957

What should be the attitude of the church toward homosexuals and homosexuality?

For the Bible-believing Christian, there can be no doubt that homosexuality is a grievous sin in the sight of God. The awful catalogue in the first chapter of Romans of the sins practiced by the ancient pagan world began with this sin:

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another: men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
—Romans 1:26,27 (KJV)

The term “sodomy,” named after the inhabitants of Sodom whose homosexual perversions caused God to rain fire and brimstone on their city in the days of Abraham (Genesis 19:4,5,12,24), has for thousands of years been synonymous with this unique form of ungodliness. That it is basically a sin of rebellion against God is evident from the above passage in Romans.

The “cause” for which God “gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves” was that they had decided to “worship and serve creation more than the Creator” (Romans 1:24-25 - KJV).

Because such behavior is essentially animalistic, rather than human, sodomites are actually called “dogs” in the Bible. Note the strong prohibition in the Old Testament theocracy established under Moses.

There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the Lord thy God for any vow: for even both these are an abomination unto the Lord thy God.
—Deuteronomy 23:17,18 (KJV)

We can be sure that, if these practices were abominations to God then, He has not changed His opinion about them today.

The same terminology appears in the description of the holy city in the last chapter of the Bible.

Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
—Revelation 22:14-15 (KJV)

Thus, sodomites—like sorcerers, whoremongers (same word as “fornicators”), murderers, idolaters and lovers of lies—should undoubtedly also be excluded from church fellowship. If such a person, professing to be a Christian, persists in his sin, he should be put out of the church, like the one who had committed fornication with his stepmother (I Corinthians 5:1).

Now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner, with such an one no not to eat… Therefore, put away from yourselves that wicked person.
—I Corinthians 5:11, 13 (KJV)

Homosexuality, like all other types of fornication, has no place in the family of God. Regardless of what modern promoters of “gay liberation” might wish to believe, sexual perversions are not inherited genetically but rather are learned behaviors and willful sins. Like alcoholism and other such sins of the flesh, they may become very difficult to give up for those who have been enslaved by them, but God is able to give deliverance to any who sincerely desire true freedom and salvation.

To “straight” Christians in the church, however, the familiar old admonition to “hate the sin, but love the sinner” surely applies in such cases. Homosexuals, long accustomed to being looked upon with disgust by most people, are understandably anxious for acceptance by society. Nevertheless, they must not be encouraged to continue in their wickedness, for it may well cost them their eternal souls. Instead, they need to be “loved into the kingdom,” being delivered first of all from their rebellion against God, then to Christ for salvation and cleansing.

Notice Paul's testimony concerning the very real possibility of such deliverance:

Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, …shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
—I Corinthians 6:9-11 (KJV)

When there is true repentance and the sin is forsaken, then such a person should be lovingly received into the fellowship of believers (or back into that fellowship, if previously excommunicated), like any other repentant and believing sinner. This is the example given in the case of the incestuous Corinthian:

Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many. So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow. Wherefore I beseech you that you would confirm your love toward him.
—II Corinthians 2:6-8 (KJV)

In spite of great pressure today from humanists and other liberals to get homosexuality recognized as an acceptable—if not even preferable—life style, the Bible makes it plain that it is really unnatural and animalistic wickedness that must be rejected by true Christians.

At the same time, we cannot forget that Christ died for their sins, as well as ours. They are still objects of His sacrificial love, and we should seek earnestly to bring them to Him for cleansing and deliverance.

Christian Answers, Christian Answers 7 Comments [10/18/2018 5:51:58 AM]
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Quote# 140950

At the Impeach Trump March in Chicago 7/2/17. A group of protesters applaud a speech comprised almost entirely of Adolf Hitler quotes given by Shad Daley. This was 20 seconds after saying they need to fight fascism. After the speech, the organizing member of refusefascism.org was desperate to get Shad more involved. Another wonderful example of how the left doesn't understand their own hypocrisy and ignorance.

Speech Transcript:
Ladies, Gentleman, and non-binary members of this congregation:
I would like to thank everyone for coming out today to support the constitutional rule of law, I stand here today, a veteran of these United States armed forces, and a proud 21st century patriot. I would like to take this opportunity to talk about this oppressive regime, and the repressive regime that constitutes capitalism as a whole.

We are Socialists, we are enemies of the capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with it's unfair salaries, rights it's unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.

Benefit to the community precedes benefit to the individual... The state should retain supervision and each property owner should consider himself appointed by the state. It is his duty not to use his property against the interests of others among his own people. This is the crucial matter. This American Nation will always retain its right to control the owners of property... A policy of laissez faire in this sphere is not only cruelty to the individual guiltless victims but also to the nation as a whole.

For there is one thing we must never forget... the majority can never replace the man.

Life is like a mirror, if you frown at it, it frowns back, if you smile it returns the greeting.

Donald Trump seems to think that if you tell a big enough lie, and tell it frequently enough, that it will be believed. It’s not the truth that matters, but victory.

The doom of a nation can be averted only by a storm of flowing passion, but only those who are passionate themselves can arouse passion in others.


Shad Daley, Youtube 3 Comments [10/18/2018 5:50:01 AM]
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Quote# 139233

(=Bible scholar claims passage condemning homosexuals was rewritten=)

Blood Vipre: So if this is true then we can't trust ANY part of the Bible whatsoever, simply because of this article's claims. What utter crap.

Petej: That’s not what he’s saying. He’s not questioning the validity of the canonical version. He’s talking about it’s development.

Martin: Pete, Talking about its development cast doubt on its inerrancy and without inerrancy the Bible is worthless.

Blood Vipre and Martin, Premier 13 Comments [7/27/2018 5:51:56 AM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 140987

Mary Shinn: Well, doesn’t matter our “stand”, we are the created. God has revealed marriage is between a man and a woman, -not- between a man and a man or a woman and a woman. There are a list of verses from the Old Testsment as evidence, here is one from the New Testsment referring to the New Covenant, the time we are in;
1 Corinthians 7:2
But for fear of fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
[1 Corinthians 7:2]

TS (unami): Please quote Jesus ever saying anything negative about LGBT people...

Mary Shinn : LGBT people, God makes - -none- - of the four. Thinking you are one of or more of the four is a disorder. Bisexual and Transgender are modern disorders.
God is loving and far more merciful than we are, repent, get right with Him for It says
in the Gospel in two places, >>unrepentant<< sodomites are in hell. God loves the sinner not the act (sodomy). Confess to God this grave sin and remain celibate until you die or far better, have a change of heart concerning the teachings of Our Lord. Believe.
Jude 6-8
And the angels who kept not their principality, but forsook their own habitation, he hath reserved under darkness in everlasting chains, unto the judgment of the great day. [7]As Sodom and Gomorrha, and the neighbouring cities, in like manner,
having given themselves to fornication, and going after other flesh, were made
an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire. [8] In like manner these men also defile the flesh, and despise dominion, and blaspheme majesty.
2 Peter 2: 4-6
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but delivered them, drawn down by infernal ropes to the lower hell, unto torments, to be reserved unto judgment: [5]And spared not the original world, but preserved Noe, the the eighth person, the preacher of justice, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly. [6]And reducing the cities of the Sodomites, and of the Gomorrhites, into ashes, condemned them to be overthrown, making them an example to those that should after act wickedly,

TS (unami): Wow.
What arrogance.
Listen, you aren't God and you sure don't speak for Him.
God made a WIDE variety of human beings and (surprise!) they're not all little clones of *you*.

Mary Shinn: You are not God either. You do not care for those verses from the written Word. Be wise and follow them. How is it set up? When we sin, we must confess that sin to God. If you say no now, just remember when the prophesied divine "awakening" happens. God can show the entire world, how easy for Him.
He loves you very much TS (unami).

Mary Shinn, Global Religons 11 Comments [10/18/2018 6:02:06 AM]
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Quote# 140884

The moment you start victim blaming, is the moment you make it much easier for rapists to actually get away with it. You can recognize that it's dumb to act in a manner that would entice people, but in the end a no means no. I also clearly said 'act', because I don't believe that dress is a valid way of enticing people. Just because a girl is wearing a tiny dress doesn't mean she is trying to entice men.

Praytell why ELSE she'd be wearing skimpy clothing?

I can't think of a single practical use for wearing skimpy clothing other than trying to look sexually pleasing to men. Unless she's Bi or lesbian or something and trying to look nice to other girls, but still. Is there really a need to be walking around in public dressed like that?

Xaelai, MMO Champion 8 Comments [10/13/2018 8:21:05 PM]
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