Quote# 22597

Yesterday my wife and I were watching O'Reilly and he mention an issue with many college students now going down to Texas and having orgies and exposing themselves nude in public. It wasn't too long after that that we saw the must current weather report that more than 15 tornados had also been seen or touched down in Texas. Now...I don't know everything, but shouldn't someone majoring in Medicine be able to figure this out?

dustersa, Rapture Ready 50 Comments [3/27/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 18036

For a long time, Evolutionists have made up plenty of just-so stories, but I"m not really all that convinced that they are really doing any field research or laboratory work of their own. My thoughts are that they've been copying off of the Young Earth Creation Science works and claiming it as their own. I'm just asking for one piece of legitimate work from an Evolutionist that hasn't been stolen.

YeshuMarine, CARM.org Discussion Forums 87 Comments [12/11/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Aagcobb

Quote# 132738

Stalin did not orchestrate a genocide. Many Nazis died, and many soldiers of the Red Army, but to call this genocide is ludicrous. In addition, there was a famine that has been claimed to have been targeted at Ukraine.

The evidence for this is contested at best. Finally, there is the gulag situation. Gulags (work camps) are of very questionable moral defensibility, but to call them genocide is a stretch. First, they were not targeting a racial group, but a class in society called kulaks.

Kulaks were basically an agricultural landlord class that hoarded and burned grain when the state tried to take it to feed their people, which did not cause the famine mentioned above but made it far worse. Some political prisoners also went to the gulags, which is again questionable, but not genocide.

Second, the number of people that went through the gulags was very variable by year, and at almost all times significantly lower as a percentage of population than other prison systems, such as the modern US's, and the survival rate was fairly high for work camps, although again, variable. The gulags were a penal system, one that is highly suspect, but definitively not a genocide.

adude350, r/communism101 5 Comments [10/8/2017 12:18:54 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132701

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Trump's one-two punch hits birth control, LGBT rights"

Thank God for our president! Please continue to pray for him. God bless him!!

(FOX news story follows)

WASHINGTON – In a one-two punch elating religious conservatives, President Donald Trump's administration is allowing more employers to opt out of no-cost birth control for workers and issuing sweeping religious-freedom directions that could override many anti-discrimination protections for LGBT people and others.

At a time when Trump finds himself embattled on many fronts, the two directives — issued almost simultaneously on Friday — demonstrated the president's eagerness to retain the loyalty of social conservatives who make up a key part of his base. Leaders of that constituency were exultant.

"President Trump is demonstrating his commitment to undoing the anti-faith policies of the previous administration and restoring true religious freedom," said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council.

Liberal advocacy groups, including those supporting LGBT and reproductive rights, were outraged.

"The Trump administration is saying to employers, 'If you want to discriminate, we have your back,'" said Fatima Goss Graves, president of National Women's Law Center.

Her organization is among several that are planning to challenge the birth-control rollback in court. The American Civil Liberties Union filed such a lawsuit less than three hours after the rules were issued.

"The Trump administration is forcing women to pay for their boss' religious beliefs," said ACLU senior staff attorney Brigitte Amiri. "We're filing this lawsuit because the federal government cannot authorize discrimination against women in the name of religion or otherwise."

Xavier Becerra, the Democratic attorney general of California, said he planned to file a similar lawsuit as soon as feasible. Other Democratic attorneys general said they were mulling the same step.

Both directives had been in the works for months, with activists on both sides of a culture war on edge about the timing and the details.

The religious-liberty directive, issued by Attorney General Jeff Sessions, instructs federal agencies to do as much as possible to accommodate those who claim their religious freedoms are being violated. The guidance effectively lifts a burden from religious objectors to prove that their beliefs about marriage or other topics that affect various actions are sincerely held.

"Except in the narrowest circumstances, no one should be forced to choose between living out his or her faith and complying with the law," Sessions wrote.

In what is likely to be one of the more contested aspects of the document, the Justice Department states that religious organizations can hire workers based on religious beliefs and an employee's willingness "to adhere to a code of conduct." Many conservative Christian schools and faith-based agencies require employees to adhere to moral codes that ban sex outside marriage and same-sex relationships, among other behavior.

The Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative Christian law firm, called it "a great day for religious freedom." But JoDee Winterhof of the Human Rights Campaign, a national LGBT-rights group, depicted the two directives as "an all-out assault, on women, LGBT people and others" as the administration fulfilled a "wish list" of the religious right.

The new policy on contraception, issued by the Department of Health and Human Services, allows more categories of employers, including publicly traded companies, to opt out of providing no-cost birth control to women by claiming religious or moral objections — another step in rolling back President Barack Obama's health care law that required most companies to cover birth control at no additional cost.

Employers with religious or moral qualms will also be able to cover some birth control methods, and not others. Experts said that could interfere with efforts to promote modern long-acting implantable contraceptives, such as IUDs, which are more expensive.

The top Democrat in the House of Representatives, Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, said the birth-control rollback was despicable.

"This administration's contempt for women reaches a new low with this appalling decision to enable employers and health plans to deny women basic coverage for contraception," she said.

On the Republican side, however, House Speaker Paul Ryan welcomed the decision, calling it "a landmark day for religious liberty."

The new policy took effect on Friday, but its impact won't be known immediately and may not be dramatic.

"I can't imagine that many employers are going to be willing to certify that they have a moral objection to standard birth control methods," said Dan Mendelson, president of the consulting firm Avalere Health.

Nonetheless, he worried that the new rules would set a precedent for undermining basic health benefits required under federal law. The administration has estimated that some 200 employers who have already voiced objections to the Obama-era policy would qualify for the expanded opt-out, and that 120,000 women would be affected.

Since contraception became a covered preventive benefit, the share of female employees paying with their own money for birth control pills has plunged to 3 percent, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

Many Catholic hospitals now rely on an Obama-era workaround under which the government pays for the cost of birth control coverage. That workaround can continue under the new rules.

Despite that workaround, there have been extensive legal battles waged by religious institutions and other parties challenging the birth-control mandate. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops hailed the new policy as a "return to common sense" that would enhance "peaceful coexistence" between church and state.

Doctors' groups that were instrumental in derailing Republican plans to repeal Obama's health law outright expressed their dismay.

The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists said the new policy could reverse the recent progress in lowering the nation's rate of unintended pregnancies.

"Instead of fulfilling its mission 'to enhance and protect the health and well-being of all Americans,' HHS leaders under the current administration are focused on turning back the clock on women's health," said the organization's president, Dr. Haywood Brown.

Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified.Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 15 Comments [10/7/2017 11:02:53 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 132714

What it means to "Get Help"

Help people feel superior

Help people feel like nice people

Help people feel like authority figures

Help pay people's salaries

Get help to benefit everyone but yourself, cuck.

Alia_Harkonnen, /r/incels 11 Comments [10/7/2017 12:02:40 PM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 132759

Horror visions "2050" - what their ideals are

The committee for "lacking development" was created in 2001 by the government and gets financed for about 4 million euros because of a decree in the German Bundestag. It serves the sustainibility. Members of the commitee are "people from public life", voted Church representatives, high-ranking business people, politicians, nature protection officials and important media people. The leader of the committee is Marlehn Thieme, who is also in the committee of the Evangelic church and who is, fittingly, also the chief of the ZDF-television committee. Magot Käßmann was also a member of this illustrious club.

In 2011 this organ has published a writing with texts from people, which should describe the ideal state for the year 2050. A world that should describe the ideal situation of the year 2050 - a world, that apparently matches the ideals of the rulers, that finance the efforts of people with tax payers money.

...

A comment on this is something I will let my viewers do. Only one thing: European superstate, then world government, global language, family alienation, borderlessness, unified people, abolition of marriage, free choice of drugs, limitless basic income for all people in the world, trustworthiness of families, decoupling of genetic parents, everyone is a parent. All of this for the lacking "Saving" of the world.

SELBERDENKER, PI News 6 Comments [10/8/2017 4:13:40 PM]
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Submitted By: hydrolythe

Quote# 132662

Lady Checkmate's headline: "PSA: Alt-Left Troll Utilizing Socks To Troll Our Community"



Hi Guys. This is just a heads up that the loser troll from Faith & Religion who hates that us on the right are welcome to exercise our right to free speech here has stalked me from Faith & Religion to News Network. Yes, he's the same troll I told you guys about a few months ago. Feel free to put him his place (flag his comments, report his trolling socks to Disqus, share Truth, pray for him, etc.), before I show him the door. I will continue to ignore him and delete his comments without reading them (he hates being ignored, lol). I'm posting this OP because a CM here caught wind of his trolling me and "put him in his place". He'll be back because he has no other purpose in life, soo you guys have free run to continue "putting him in his place".

These are some of his latest sock accounts used just to troll here. Note, there are no visible comments because they were all deleted due to profanity, attacks, trolling, etc. Note the dates the accounts were opened-typically the same day just to troll (although he has plenty of sleeper socks he uses to make himself seem credible). It takes a real loser to spend time opening new sock accounts to type a message we ignore before its deleted and he's banned (again) and continue to do that all day for years...the mental illness is strong with that one. His psychosis has to be off the charts. [Account information removed as unnecessary]

Trolls are insane, lol. Laugh at them, poke fun at them and flag them when you can, so we can show them the door - we take trash out to the curb, we don't give them a platform to spread their garbage. Love you guys????

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - News Network 18 Comments [10/6/2017 8:08:41 AM]
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Quote# 132691

Beyond the icy bounds of the Southern Circle, lies a vast circular ocean, and beyond that the forbidden continent, Antichtone; any ship or plane will reach the Aether Screen and go around this landmass by accident. Admiral R. Byrd discovered that Antichtone/Atlantis had lakes, forests, mammoths and hills covered with vegetation, far inland - exactly what was seen by the Nazis during their 1938-1939 expedition.

There are vast tunnels under the Earth; some of these lead beyond the Ice Wall. Alexander the Great and his armies made use of these tunnels; so did the Nazis in many of their campaigns. This is the only way to reach Antichtone, and it is why many mammoth fossils are found in vast caverns under ground, whereas modern elephant remains tend to scatter themselves over the open plains of Africa.

I must thanks my esteemed colleague, November 17, for enlightening me as to the tunnel complexes used by Alexander; I have synthesised this research with the findings of the venerable Levee, in providing my synoptical answer to your questions.

I am able to peer above the lofty peaks of the Ice Wall, because I am standing on the shoulders of giants.

James, The Flat Earth Society 12 Comments [10/7/2017 9:12:41 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132688

Almost everybody acts as i'm crazy when they hear i say "the earth is not a spinnig ball. Not spinning and not a ball". It is harder to crack prejudice than an atom. So it is hard to convince them. But when i try to convice somebody, after i talked usually they change their mind as confuse. Because i don't see anybody can defence one of main argument about diffusion.

More altitude gravity decreases but suddenly occurs diffusion is a really strong power; so how atmospher resist to difuses to the space. This question has no answer. I recommend to ask this question first for all discussings.

Intikam, The Flat Earth Society 15 Comments [10/7/2017 9:12:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132564

Profiling and discriminating is a good thing, if we are to survive the scourge of Islam. Think about the TSA.

It is unthinkably stupid that ALL must be screened, when we know where the threat is.

If you are a Muslim, you earned extra scrutiny, or don’t fly. PC will kill us. We need to get smart soonest if we are serious about our survival.

Fritz the Cat, Bare Naked Islam 10 Comments [10/4/2017 11:04:47 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132699

I feel for him. I’ve seen the loudmouth lib wives. He needs to man up though. I would have thrown her out years ago. Only I can be the loudmouth in the house :-).

One thing that may happen ... the girl is only 13. She might not be in her ‘rebellious’ stage yet. It happens to all teenagers whether we care to admit it or not :-).

If she sees her sisters picking up all sorts of guys, she’s going to know she could too. That might snap her out of it :-). I think there’s a decent chance of that happening ... especially if the mother conditioned her to think this way. Mother is going to regret it.

You should also say something to the kid in private if you can ... act like you’re interested in what she’s doing. You don’t need to torque the mom off ... just get a feel for what she’s really thinking.

It’s certainly true that a lot of this nonsense has crippled society mainly due to people being quiet. However, speaking your mind doesn’t necessarily mean you have to address it point blank and piss off the liberal. Do it passive aggressively by acting 100% opposite the mom would think you would act. Try and get a feel for what the girl is really thinking ... try and relate some of your teenage year experiences to her and give her a feeling that she might miss out on a lot of stuff.

Liberals do the crap they do because they *want* a fight. They *want* the attention. It kills them when they’re starved of that attention -OR- you do something that they’re not expecting ... remember, they’re conditioned ... they have a certain queue of replies to any given violation of liberal dogma ... if you do something they don’t expect, they’ll turn into a useless bag of meat having no intelligible reply to your commentary :-).

edh, Free Republic 8 Comments [10/7/2017 11:02:40 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132713

The equivalent of "I seen an ugly guy with a gf before"

Winning the mega millions lottery.

I mean some people have won that as well. So normies, should we all quit our jobs and just buy mega million dollar lottery tickets?

imanacctingstudent, /r/incels 11 Comments [10/7/2017 12:02:33 PM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 132719

It's the same constant brain-washing that has made the whole LBGT movement not only acceptable but has set them up as an elite group to be admired be cause of the "struggle" they have gone through. Why do feminist/women support it? Because it takes a lot of courage to go against what is popular.

In the case of Feminists for of theer self-asserting bluster, they are afraid that if they opposed the gay movement there would be a back-lash against them. The last thing the feminist movement wants is another movement to become more powerful than their own.

Jelennuie, Stormfront 16 Comments [10/7/2017 1:24:42 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132724

Ravyn Skye:Number 5 sounds like sleep paralysis. It happens to me a LOT. It feels like it's crushing or smothering me, this evil black shadow entity. It's a very common hallucination during sleep paralysis episodes.?


Deinnemann:No, it was dark spirits. They feed on human energy, to get stronger.?

Ravyn Skye: I'm not even sure if you're serious right now... >_>;;;?

Deinnemann:+Ravyn Skye i'm very serious.?

Deinnemann, Youtube 7 Comments [10/7/2017 1:25:39 PM]
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Submitted By: P.E.T.F

Quote# 132741

Aren’t the putrid damned muzslime just a horrid MESS. They do not belong in any nation but their own.

They need to be deported by the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands!!!

Muzslime are totally RUINING THE WHOLE EARTH!!!! Muzslime are a disease everywhere they are. They need to be dissed so the West can be at ease.

Don Spilman, Bare Naked Islam 3 Comments [10/8/2017 12:19:08 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132704

The "European Union" is a people prison in which puppets of the international money nobility are the commisars, government executives and ministers exploit their own people and want to depatriotize them. And the monetary union only makes sure that the European people are incited against one another.
I think for instance about the inflammatory articles from the BILD journal, which claimed that lazy Greeks would fritter away our money for their lottery life! The billions for Greece benefit the banks and the corrupt cable companies in politics and society and the normal employee receives as much money as the African Otto average earner in Congo receives from huminatarian organisations. They earn absolutely nothing!
The monetary union has become a system of interest servant detention, that sucks out and weakens the people.
That's why the goal of each government with obligations to its people should be to dissolve the "European Union", to terminate the monetary union and to return to national currency and central banks.
After this all governments should enact their debts and start again without interest servant detention.
Because the billions that the government has sunk into the "Monetary Union" will never be seen again.
It is however illusory as long as German politicians travel through world history and celebrate their pseudo-religious guilt cult.
See the "Red Heidi" in Namibia that complained about a genocide in Hereos and I insinuate that I know from the JF editorial staff that there has never been a genocide in Hereos.
As long as German media and politicians continue the war propaganda of our World War enemies against us and even complain about the genocide in Hereos, without claims from the victor powers of 1945, that long we will be the douchebags and pay masters of all money chasing political thugs in foreign countries.

Werner Jost, Junge Freiheit 5 Comments [10/7/2017 11:23:16 AM]
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Quote# 132740

Just how long do these stupid police and their bosses think they can keep acting like they are fooling the average bloke.

For years now they always immediately say, “nope not anything to do with muzslime or izslime.”

THEY are the stupid fools…. of course it’s an act by a religious muzslime. They intend to kill non muzslime, that’s their goal in life.

Don Spilman, Bare Naked Islam 2 Comments [10/8/2017 12:19:03 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132737

The claims that Stalin commited genocide belong to the 1930s and 1980s. Specifically, this myth is a creation of nazi propaganda that was consolidated internationally by Ronald Reagan. The rise of nazism in Germany occurred as a reaction against the Weimar Republic and the failed german revolution, it was a extreme right wing response, and because of that, many of the current reputations and interpretations of the USSR and Stalin are directly linked to this period.

During the collectivization process, many rich russians and ukrainians fled to the United States and Nazi Germany, and they helped building a mass media operation that created hoaxes such as the existence of a genocide through hunger, the totalitarian regime of Stalin, etc., and also during this time, north-american media was closely affiliated with german media, so through people like William Hearst those hoaxes spread outside Germany to the whole West. More names are involved, such as Robert Conquest or Alexander Solzhenitsyn.

During the 1980s these myths became consolidated as a project of Reagan's government in bringing down the Soviet Union. While the hoaxes existed since the 1930s, they were revalidated and used as a political tool by neoliberalism and imperialism

commienoborders, r/communism101 3 Comments [10/8/2017 12:18:51 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132694

Our family received shocking news. Our niece- a beautiful 13YO identical twin girl- Natalia, has decided that she wants to be a BOY. However, her family is celebrating the news.

Natalia is now to be called 'Nace' and she dresses as a boy. We have been warned (threatened) we must use the pronouns--him or he. And it's so much worse because she has an identical lovely twin sister, Olivia. Olivia is a very feminine, modestly dressed, normal appearing happy-go lucky, girly-girl. Natalie and Olivia are naturally life-long best friends.

This is being culturally normalized and may strike a family near to you.

The family lives out of town and they are arriving here tomorrow to 'reintroduce their twin daughter as a their son -'Nace' to the extended family. Fortunately, her grandfather- my dear dad- is deceased. (Natalia was named to honor our Dad- Nathaniel.) Our mother, whose now senile with dementia, is still cognizant enough to be upset and is completely bewildered at this news.

We are deeply saddened and worried for the twins. I'm not sure there is anything that an out of town extended family can do to help. We want her to feel loved and not rejected. We will pray to God to change Natalia's heart and for Light to enter this family. Unfortunately, we suspect that her mother has been encouraging and supportive of this oddity. They talk about 'how brave it is for her to come out!' She has told Olivia- 'He's a hero', be proud of your new twin brother,... blah, blah, barf.

My brother has already warned my older siblings to tell me to keep my mouth shut. I intend to be welcoming and show love and compassion for both twins and not to discuss the elephant in the room. It is important that this child does not experience further alienation from her own family. But I can't fake any type of congratulations or praise for her choice.

The research on transgendering is quite disturbing. Natalia will be 25 times more likely to commit suicide if she continues on this path. She is inviting tons of social trouble into her world and her twin sister's life. Especially, because she is very pretty, Natalia does not look masculine. My brother stated that Nace is going for counseling. I suspect it's to advance her transition, not reverse her course. If they begin testosterone hormone treatment, she risks: an inflamed liver, increased red blood cell counts and other negative hormonal effects. Her hormones & blood will need to be monitored for the rest of her life. It's unfathomable that any parent would allow this.

My Sis-in-law is a typical New England liberal loud-mouth witch who has been very inclusive of her lesbian friends in their family functions and as the twins' babysitters. SIL relishes all things freaky, strange, weird, and bizzaro and is proudly very "progressive." My brother and his wife are well educated, sports minded, working parents that started a family in their mid-40's. The girls have been educated in an upscale suburban public school with karate, softball, soccer, & swimming lessons. However, the twins were always dumped into the extended school environment (7AM-6PM.)

About two summers ago, my brother was proud to announce the girls were going to church camp for 'sex education.' But it was not to be VBS (Vacation Bible School); it was a Unitarian Church. I tried to warn him of their reputation, but he hates my conservative opinions and swore me off. I have to wonder what part that indoctrination played in Natalia's choice to reject her beautiful body that God had created.

We knew that both girls, but especially Natalia, had some development delays and is likely in the mild Asperger Spectrum. This social awkwardness may have been what steered her into this gender dysphoria encouraged by her mother and the latest progressive LGBT agenda.

Also, my SIL has always played one girl off of the other, and seemed to favor Olivia, named to honor SIL's deceased father, Oliver. We have noticed that each parent is typically paired off separately with one of the twins and they were not being treated equally or fairly. SIL manipulated and controlled when each girl could speak. SIL is a loud, over-bearing, controlling and heavy handed mother and person. OTH, my brother has no backbone and his domineering wife has always worn the pants.

We are deeply saddened and fearful for both Natalia's & Olivia's future. At Christmas 2016, Natalia was a thin attractive shy girl with lovely eyes and a beautiful smile. I pray that she is not too far gone into this abyss at only 13 years of age.

Please pray for Natalia and her family that God may enter their lives.

If anyone has had any experience with LGBT family or constructive ideas, please post it here.

Beautiful_Gracious_Skies, Free Republic 14 Comments [10/7/2017 9:13:04 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 18134

"I thought I might introduce a Science that has become very popular to everyone. Its called Axiology. It studies the Human Morals and Values of people and their very being! Interesting stuff huh? So, I guess if the Atheist wishes everything to be proven through Science, this counts then, correct?

But the problem that the Atheist has is no explanation for Morality!

Thus, Atheism as an Axiological Science fails its own standards of proving everything through Science. (Moral Relativism is not an answer here).

On the other hand, it appears that Christianity can NOW be proven through Science . http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=002...2.0.CO%3 B2-P

Works pretty well for us, don't it!"

YeshuMarine, CARM.org Discussion Forums 24 Comments [12/12/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Aagcobb

Quote# 132578

AIDS, as in immune deficiency, is real enough. It certainly can be ‘acquired,’ either through drug abuse, poverty, toxic exposure, or antibiotic overload. It can be congenital – some people are born with broken, weak or deficient immune systems. AIDS is real enough.

HIV, as in “HIV tests,” and the ‘wily retrovirus,’ however, is an invention, or really, a conglomeration or accumulation of separable phenomena – cross-reacting protein tests, budding ‘exosomal’ sub-cellular particles, bits of broken cellular structures – brought together over time, by different researchers at different labs, all believing that this hodge-podge of cellular detritus adds up to one thing (but only in the gay men and African women they like to target for the make-believe ‘HIV test’ rigmarole).

The drugs that come next will knock out any fungus or bacteria that’s growing in you – but it will destroy your blood, intestines and bone marrow too, leaving you lifeless after extended use. It makes the drugs dangerous to take, and hard to quit.

AIDS is real enough. Immune deficiency exists, and has many causes. It’s the idea that this diagnosis has one, and only one cause, that is the greatest medical fiction of our age.

Liam Scheff, ReduceTheBurden 11 Comments [10/4/2017 10:40:53 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132586

Time for LESS gun control

Everyone is talking about the mass murder in Las Vegas, Nevada. Last I heard there were fifty-eight dead and over four hundred wounded. Could be more by now. That is hideous. Senseless from a rational perspective. (It probably makes sense of a sort to the late murderer; I might intellectually grasp the concept if I was informed, but I cannot empathize.) I am horrified at the disregard of one human being for another.

As a Christian, I am directed to ‘love’ at least in the ‘agapeo’ sense of being concerned about my fellow man to my own expense. Certainly to value other human beings at the same level as myself. Included in that is the limitation of not murdering others for my own benefit, including amusement.

Manifestly, this did not apply to the murderer. At least at the time of his action, he didn’t value any of his victims in any sense I would understand. I do not claim to have magical or Divinely directed insight on his thinking, but his actions tend to give this impression. That mass murder that the murderer committed demonstrates a disregard for other human life. (From the circumstances one can rule out ‘just war’ or ‘self-defense’ as exemptions to the ‘murder’ concept; whether the reader accepts those concepts or not, they simply do not apply.)

In Christian terms, “sin” is disobedience of God. God’s will and or God’s direct command. Even without a Christian world-view, one can agree murder (killing another for personal reasons) is at least wrong, and ‘sinful’ by that criteria. (If anyone disagrees, please explain.) Therefore, murder, these murders is the result of sin. At least for us Christians; non-Christians are free to theorize the murderer committed the acts because his underwear didn’t fit, or his parents didn’t buy him a dog or a bad breakfast or something. (Feel free to disagree, but explain please. I’d really like to hear.)

In fact, Jesus once made the statement about the inner being of a human (called the ‘heart’ in both Hebrew and Greek language and thinking) is the source of wrongful thoughts and actions. I think ‘modern’ psychiatry would call this part of a human the ‘id’. (I could be mistaken, but most all authorities agree there is a ‘central’ or ‘core’ portion of the human which to some extent or other directs human attitudes and actions.)

In [the gospel of] Matthew, chapter 15, and Mark 7, Jesus is taken to task – criticized – by a small group of Pharisees because His (Jesus’) disciples didn’t follow a tradition (rule of conduct loosely based on the Mosaic Law) regarding the ceremonial washing of hands. To be clear, this was not a violation of one’s Mother warning one to wash hands before eating to avoid germs, but a violation of a ceremonial rule (possibly verging on superstition) regarding ‘legal’ preparation for eating. Ignoring this rule was not just bad manners or slovenly living, but a ‘sin’ against God, according to the tradition.

Cutting much of the discussion (read Matthew 15 and Mark 7 for two accounts of the whole treatment), Jesus summed up the matter by telling the Pharisees “Listen to me, everyone, and understand. There is nothing outside of a person that can defile him by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles him.” (Matthew 15:17 and Mark 7:15 both say essentially the same thing.) Later on, Jesus expounds a bit to His disciples by telling them (Matthew 15: 16-20 and Mark 7: 18-22) Jesus said, “Even after all this, are you still so foolish? Don’t you understand that whatever goes into the mouth enters the stomach and then passes out into the sewer? But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these things defile a person. For out of the heart come evil ideas, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are the things that defile a person; it is not eating with unwashed hands that defiles a person.”

From this, one understands that external ‘artifacts’ are not particularly in control of a person’s actions or attitudes, but one’s own desires and intents are in control.

The concept ‘artifacts’ cause human behavior is difficult to explain and quite absurd in practice. No one really believes ball point pens cause forgery, ball point pens cause mis-spelled words, flatware causes obesity, automobiles cause excessive speed or traffic accidents, windows cause peeping Toms, and my favorite, television causes insipidness of thought.

Of course, there is a political and life-style faction which holds firearms cause crime, especially violent crime. Which is as silly and irrational as any of the above.

The mass murder in Las Vegas is indeed horrific. As was the mass murder in the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida in 2016. As was the Oklahoma City Bombing in 1995. As was several other mass murders without rational purpose. Reasonable humans want to prevent such things from happening again.

However, blaming artifacts is wasting time and effort. Not to mention those sorts of mass murders will continue. The instrumentality may be different, but the murders will be the same.


Archie Montgomery, Old Man Montgomery  13 Comments [10/4/2017 10:42:47 PM]
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Quote# 67351

Nobody is against equality. That is called propaganda­--labeling those who oppose gay marriage as being "against equality" to demonize them.

They aren't against equality. They are against gay marriage.

k1dork , Huffington Post 43 Comments [11/6/2009 10:46:07 AM]
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Quote# 132599

Conservatives seem to be bending over backward to avoid blaming the recent Las Vegas shooting on easy access to high-powered weapons.

Fundamentalist and former actor Christian Kirk Cameron has blamed the shooting on “liberal Hollywood.”

“The shooter was influenced by Hollywood values pushed in violent video games and rap music,” said Cameron in an interview with Charisma magazine. “If we had a Bible in every home and prayer in school, we wouldn’t have these problems.” But Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock was in his 60s and most likely didn’t play video games or listen to rap music.

Kirk Cameron, bizstandardnews.com 16 Comments [10/5/2017 10:56:43 AM]
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Submitted By: Doubting Thomas

Quote# 132660

Your headline is incorrect.

It should read, "This Sexist Cartoon Everyone Is Freaking Out About Is ***ALSO*** Fetish Porn"

There's no "actually." The label of sexist is not inaccurate.

Porn, by nature, is sexist. It isn't exclusively sexist against women, but it is *always* sexist. Someone (hopefully at least some adult consenting human, but let's not pretend that's the limit) is *always* being turned into a sex-object.

Dusteen J. Barber, Facebook 7 Comments [10/6/2017 8:08:29 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie