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Quote# 127268

Over the weekend, the WannaCry ransomware attack targeted Microsoft Windows systems across the globe, even disrupting hospitals in Britain.

But Russia won’t have to worry about anything like that happening because the Orthodox Church’s Patriarch Kirill apparently visited the Ministry of Internal Affairs and sprayed holy water on the computers.

They can hack our political campaigns, but they think spraying water on computers is a smart move… #Logic

It won’t do any good, obviously, and I suspect the government let Kirill work his magic because he’s a powerful figure in the country. I think the government official standing in the middle of the room with the “you’ve got to be kidding me” look speaks for all of us.

Kirill has previous blamed the rise of ISIS on the “godless, secular” civilization in which we live. Also: Pride parades. He also thinks marriage equality is a “very dangerous sign of the apocalypse.”
And now he’s adding to his bullshit-filled toolbox with holy water. Because who needs a white hat when you have religious headgear at your disposal?

Patriarch Kirill, Patheos 11 Comments [5/19/2017 11:29:47 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 127326

Incels of modern culture deserve no sympathy

Modern culture is the cause of incel. So if you remain in modern culture, then you deserve no sympathy. Whine all you want, then suffer and die. I don't care. But if you are a non-moron, then reject modern culture and solve incel by looking abroad.

fschmidt, /r/incels 15 Comments [5/20/2017 1:47:48 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 88136

Protection from Extreme Environmentalists – We strongly oppose all efforts of the extreme environmental groups that stymie legitimate business interests. We strongly oppose those efforts that attempt to use the environmental causes to purposefully disrupt and stop those interests within the oil and gas industry. We strongly support the immediate repeal of the Endangered Species Act. We strongly oppose the listing of the dune sage brush lizard either as a threatened or an endangered species. We believe the Environmental Protection Agency should be abolished.

Free Speech for the Clergy – We urge amendment of the Internal Revenue Code to allow a religious organization to address issues without fear of losing its tax-exempt status. We call for repeal of requirements that religious organizations send the government any personal information about their contributors.

Homosexuality ? We affirm that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society and contributes to the breakdown of the family unit. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country’s founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable “alternative” lifestyle, in public policy, nor should “family” be redefined to include homosexual “couples.” We believe there should be no granting of special legal entitlements or creation of special status for homosexual behavior, regardless of state of origin. Additionally, we oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction or belief in traditional values.

Controversial Theories – We support objective teaching and equal treatment of all sides of scientific theories. We believe theories such as life origins and environmental change should be taught as challengeable scientific theories subject to change as new data is produced. Teachers and students should be able to discuss the strengths and weaknesses of these theories openly and without fear of retribution or discrimination of any kind.

Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning).

Sex Education – We recognize parental responsibility and authority regarding sex education. We believe that parents must be given an opportunity to review the material prior to giving their consent. We oppose any sex education other than abstinence until marriage.

U.S. Department of Education – Since education is not an enumerated power of the federal government, we believe the Department of Education (DOE) should be abolished.

Judeo-Christian Nation – As America is a nation under God founded on Judeo-Christian principles, we affirm the constitutional right of all individuals to worship in the religion of their choice.

Voter Rights Act – We urge that the Voter Rights Act of 1965 codified and updated in 1973 be repealed and not reauthorized.

Republican Party of Texas, Report of Platform Committee (pdf) 213 Comments [7/5/2012 3:41:42 AM]
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Submitted By: OhJohnNo

Quote# 126823

At the rate trans stuff has been accepted by a relevant portion of the population, I think that pedos will be either helped to deal with their thing (via legalizing computer generated material for their thing) or maybe even legalized.

Personally? I think that age of consent should be lowered to 12 or something like that, makes sense from a biologically point of view. Teens are obsessed with sex and they are dumb, you can’t stop them by law and if you can they will be stressed.

And AoC in Spain is around 13 and we’re really fine with it, I think that it’s not the most responsible age because teenagers are overwhelmingly stupid but it makes biological sense

firelucid, tumblr 11 Comments [5/2/2017 11:55:27 AM]
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Quote# 127359

[Post named "Happy General Wolfe Appreciation Day 2014"]

As always on this, the laughably silly Queerbec holiday for St Jean the Baptist Third Edge of the Sword celebrates General Wolfe Appreciation Day. All hail the Conqueror who led the British to their well deserved victory!

Bonus Fete National content: Don't blame me, even the frogs are not celebrating St Jean Baptistê properly.

[NB: General James Wolfe crushed the French troops during the battle of the Plains of Abraham on 1759 and commited numerous war crimes against the civilian population]

Feynman and Coulter's Love Child, The Third Edge of the Sword 4 Comments [5/21/2017 2:09:32 PM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 127332

HOW TO IMPOSE A ONE-PARTY THEOCRACY IN BRITAIN

HOW TO ESTABLISH A BRITISH CALIPHATE IN ONE EASY STEP, WITHOUT CONVERTING A SINGLE SOUL

HOW TO DESTROY FEMINISM

HOW TO RETURN THE GOVERNMENT TO SANITY AND MORALITY

What is this first step?

The Koran is generally acknowledged to be a great work of literature, even by non-Muslims.

It is also said to be the directly revealed Word of God.

If that is so, it should be regarded as a contract between God and Man.

It promises to be a warning and a guide for mankind and warrants that its guidance will keep man peaceful and at peace with himself, but only if its directions are followed.

While it is said to be a religion of peace, it is also a religion of war – a war against evil and oppression, idolatry and irrationality, intoxication, usury, gambing and sexual licence.

This being so, it would benefit law students to study such a divine contract, whether or not they are Muslim as it would usefully add to their legal knowledge and drafting skills.

Even if Koranic knowledge were acquired reluctantly, just for the utilitarian purpose of passing a law exam and getting a law degree, it is very likely that the law student who goes on to becomes a legal practitioner will apply Koranic principles either consciously or unconsciously when interpreting and applying the law.

An example of this is seen in the case of Donoghue v Stevenson which promoted the Christian principle of love thy neighbour also found in The Old Testament in Leviticus. The Koran has a similar principle too.

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YUSUFALI: Serve Allah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For Allah loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious;-


PICKTHAL: And serve Allah. Ascribe no thing as partner unto Him. (Show) kindness unto parents, and unto near kindred, and orphans, and the needy, and unto the neighbour who is of kin (unto you) and the neighbour who is not of kin, and the fellow-traveller and the wayfarer and (the slaves) whom your right hands possess. Lo! Allah loveth not such as are proud and boastful,


SHAKIR: And serve Allah and do not associate any thing with Him and be good to the parents and to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the neighbor of (your) kin and the alien neighbor, and the companion in a journey and the wayfarer and those whom your right hands possess; surely Allah does not love him who is proud, boastful;



There will doubtless be skeptics and Islamophobes who will have to be persuaded of the wisdom of adopting such a course, which they will find objectionable and frightening.

To counter them, simply form a Koran Book Club and offer generous prizes to non-Muslims only for essays that confirm what has been said above.

The Caliphate should be fully mature in about two decades, I predict.

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/search?q=Secular+Koranism


1. If Islam is Judaism Lite, Secular Koranism is Islam Lite.
2. Secular Koranism is the vaccination for Radical Islam. Think of Edward Jenner and his immunisation programme. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Jenner Secular Koranism is cow pox and Radical Islam is small pox.
3. The problem with Muslims is that they prefer the Hadith to the Koran, even as they acknowledge the Koran to be the revealed Word of God, while the Hadith was compiled by fallible humans.
4. Muslims cannot bring themselves to reject the Hadith where it is contradicted by the Koran for to do so would be considered heresy by most of their fellow Muslims.
5. What Islamophobes hate about Islam comes from the Hadith.
6. If the Koran says "all animals are equal" the Hadith says "but some animals are more equal than others".
7. The Koran is well-drafted enough to withstand a literal interpretation.
8. Thesis = Old Testament; Antithesis = New Testament; Synthesis = Koran.
9. The Koran has less harsh punishments than the Old Testament.
10. The hatred the West have for Islam is based mainly on cultural chauvinism and the belief that brown and backward people whom they have conquered cannot possibly have a better religion than Christianity.
11. Napoleon Hill, who wrote THINK AND GROW RICH, promoted Islam. http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/think-and-grow-rich-author-napoleon.html
12. Man created God to protect him from the slut.
13. All the Abrahamic faiths promote the same moral precepts. The moral precepts promoted by the Abrahamic faiths bring about social cohesion, which protects your society from internal and external enemies.
14. Who are the internal enemies of a society? Sluts and socialists.
15. The patriarchy is maintained by the precepts of the Abrahamic faiths.
16. The matriarchy reasserts itself when the precepts of the Abrahamic faiths are abandoned.
17. All advanced societies are patriarchal, and all declining and primitive societies are matriarchal.
18. A patriarchy is a society that condones male promiscuity while a matriarchy is a society that condones female promiscuity.
19. Female promiscuity facilitates male promiscuity.
20. Male promiscuity is more easily checked by women being told not to be sluts.
21. A slut is a woman who has extramarital sex.
22. The evil the prohibition against extramarital sex was intended to prevent is widespread bastardy.
23. Widespread bastardy leads to widespread degeneracy and racial and national decline, leading eventually to civilisational extinction.
24. Only the Koran will save the West from feminism and allow it to go back to basics now.
25. To tolerate sluts means to tolerate bastards, to tolerate both means to tolerate a cancer growing within your society whose numbers grow exponentially. To say it is OK for women to be sluts means you are saying it is OK for your race and nation to breed an inferior, criminal, unproductive, degenerate and parasitical race within your race at the expense of the productive.
26. The defect of Christianity is that it requires a corrupt and corruptible priesthood who will interpret scripture to suit the political orthodoxy of the time, eg gay marriage.
27. The advantage of Islam is the Koran whose clearly-drafted precepts are easily translatable into legal principles.
28. The law restrains the extent of our immorality. "The people are the grass, the law the wind. When the wind blows, the grass will bend."
29. A legal system infused with Koranic principles can dispense with the need of for a corrupt and corruptible priesthood to maintain and promote morality.
30. Secular Koranism - a legal system and not a belief system - can be interpreted and applied by a non-Muslim judiciary.

Claire Khaw, The Voice of Reason 26 Comments [5/20/2017 3:36:30 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 127360

When President Trump claims there is a WITCH hunt out to get him - that can be taken literally.

Have Christians forgotten that witches have been trying to get him removed from office since he won the presidency? http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/lana-del-rey-joins-effort-to-defeat-trump-with-witchcraft-w468892

I'm curious how many Christians are praying for him to be successful - like we are commanded to do in 1 Timothy 2:1-3 - compared to how many have been nonchalantly hoping he'll fail, just like the witches are doing by consulting evil spirits against the man?

Funny how witches care more about politics than Christians do. What do witches know about the power of politics that Christians will regret NOT knowing in the near future? You cannot be a non-participant pacifist in the midst of a spiritual war!

Both Christians and witches claim to have supernatural power: theirs comes from evil spirits and ours comes from the Holy Spirit. Yet they seem far more dedicated to 'winning' through their demon power than Christians do with our Holy Ghost power! Jesus told His disciples:

"John said to Jesus, "Master, we saw someone using your name to cast out demons, but we told him to stop because he isn't in our group." But Jesus said, "Don't stop him! Anyone who is not against you is for you." John 9:49-50 NLT

Duh! I wish more believers understood this about Donald Trump. He's been very pro-Christian since he took the office. Instead it looks like the witches have cast an effective spell that even blinds the minds of many Christians.

This is why we must not be compromised in any way by sin or laziness. Sin allows an inroad for the enemy to bring confusion and harm against us. We don't all have to vote the same, but we should be clear-minded enough to see when God is moving through someone - whether we agree with them 100% or not.

It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out: if the demon-filled witches are against him, perhaps the Spirit-filled believer should be praying for him. That's just simple spiritual commonsense.

Pray for your President to win - not for his downfall. You never know: your destiny as a believer in this country may be directly tied to his success (or failure) as a President.

Mack Major, Facebook 20 Comments [5/21/2017 6:18:52 AM]
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Quote# 127339

Grace Kim Kwon:
Today's USA, the nation itself, is a violation against US Constitution by opposing the Christianity. Man is worthless when he attacks his own good conscience.

TheKingOfRhye:
Please cite exactly where it says in the US Constitution to not "oppose the Christianity."

Grace Kim Kwon:
Religious freedom means exclusively the maximum exercise of Christian religion. Americans knew no other religion.

Grace Kim Kwon, Christian News Network 31 Comments [5/20/2017 9:21:01 PM]
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Submitted By: KingOfRhye

Quote# 8474

[Reviewing Richard Dawkins' "The Ancestors Tale"]

Dawkins presents an excellent and informative account of evolution in this skillfully crafted and well-written tome. However, as some recent reviewers have noted, Dawkins is operating within benighted scientific orthodoxy and is therefore completely wrong. A simple syllogism proves that existence must have been Created:

Things that exist must have been created
Existence exists
Therefore existence must have been created

Another problem with evolution is the well documented 'dinosaur problem'. If the world was based on survival of the fittest, humans (and most other animals still around today) would have been killed off by the dinosaurs several hundred years ago.

So in conclusion: an excellent book despite its wrongness.

Tanya "Tanya", Amazon.com Reviews 60 Comments [12/2/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 127354

Secularism doesn't work. You call your site "Voice of Reason" but in fact most people don't have the intelligence to reason, so they shouldn't even try. Instead, they should respect tradition and religion. If they do try to reason, the result will be nothing more than rationalization of their instincts, because this is all that they are intellectually capable of doing. So then the question becomes how to make such people respect religion over their own dysfunctional minds. The first answer is to have a powerful alpha-male god since humans (and most primates) are wired to respect an alpha-male leader. I would say that the god of Islam is the most alpha of all gods. And the second answer is to provide religious exercises for people to remember their religion. The Old Testament provides the sabbath which is useful for intelligent people who can use this time to think, but is less useful for those of low intelligence. Again, Islam is optimal here with its 5 daily prayers which consist of repeatedly bowing before God, the act of bowing being the primary expression of submission for humans (and most primates). So I would say that Islam today isn't far from ideal, it just needs a few tweaks to make it less fatalistic.

fschmidt, Mikraite 12 Comments [5/20/2017 11:46:26 PM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 127289

[[Child molestation survivor: A child's brain is not developed enough to make that decision. Idfc if I said yes.]]

guilt trips and assumptions regarding my actual position rarely work on me. i oppose paedophilia not on moral grounds but practical grounds instead. sex is merely extensive genital contact, particularly in the pelvic regions. your opinion can be subject to further ridicule because you imply that sex must be 'practical' and procreative; i appear to have found someone who believes in abrahamic natural moral law.

ReclusiveChicken, Deviantart 10 Comments [5/18/2017 11:08:35 PM]
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Quote# 127272

Taylor Swift is a succubus! If you lust after the flesh of Taylor Swift, you will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God! The evil succubus Taylor Swift has created a den for Lucifer in her wickedly sinful vagina, and Satan formed the evil nasty woman with perfectly circular and perky breasts because God would rather have weak trembling boys than STRONG MEN OF GOD! "Boys only want love if it's torture" this succubus has no interest in God and godly love and she didn't understand agape love so therefore she's a disgusting nasty woman who simply wants to have sex with as many men as possible and getting birth control hormones in the water and making men weak beta males full of estrogen like these atheist nerdy video game users who pretend to care about science! Wearing Pi shirts and taking advice from ENGINEER Bill Nye who claims to be an expert in biology, cosmology, astronomy, and meteorology! He's as much of a scientist as the manager of my nearest Wendy's! Little nerds on here can't even get anything right!

James Wilson, RationalWiki 24 Comments [5/19/2017 11:30:06 AM]
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Quote# 127377

Pride. Arrogance. Rebellion. Selfishness. Conceitedness. I know this because I found these roots in my heart in regards to femininity and masculinity. Women (more specifically wives) are called to be/do the following: Helper: Gen 2:18, Care Taker: Titus 2:3-5, Ultimate image of beauty: Song of Solomon, and Submissive to husbands: 1 Tim. 2: 12.
In the second week, I talked about the seeds that were sown early in my life and the product I reaped was masculinity. I can’t say it enough that this was not done intentionally by my parents. None of this was done with the attitude of: “Oh, I want her to be masculine so I will not say anything and lead her down a masculine path.” Who I was came from a sinful and deceptive heart. It was because of Christ and His sacrifice that I could be redeemed: not just spiritually, but with every aspect of my life. We as Christians are not just called to become saved and live our merry lives with no changing. We are called to sanctification. To fix what is broken.
We as Christians should be redeeming everything we come into contact. Our families, church, schools, friends, extended families, neighbors, everyone we come into contact with. Redeeming…to recover sinful distortions into what they were intended to be. God made Adam and Eve perfect. He created their relationship with Himself and with each other perfect. When sin entered into the world, everything-to include creation-was tainted by sin and became distorted. Our relationships became distorted. Our deepest most intimate connections became distorted. Femininity became distorted. Masculinity became distorted. When I was born, I inherited distortion. After I realized (through God’s magnificent grace alone) that my life was horribly masculine and I was living a distorted life, I began the process of becoming who God made me to be: a true woman. My dress, my speech, my walk, my attitude, and soul was becoming more feminine. I didn’t know how bad everything was until I tried to fix it. Imagine a 25 year old trying to walk with her hips and a sway instead of with her shoulders and like a horse rider that just got off a horse after 4 hours of riding… it wasn’t pretty. If anything it was like the one funny part out of a bad comedy.
My hope and prayer is to encourage women to stand down. To get out of man’s arena (where he ultimately flourishes in) and to get into women’s arena (where she will flourish in). When women go into man’s realm, we are taking their masculinity away. They are not true men when we as women are not true women. When women become the primary protectors and the children run to the women for protection (police officer: mom-librarian: dad). When women become the primary means of providing (CEO: mom-stay at home: dad). When women are the primary spiritual leaders of a Christian home (who is teaching the children to follow the Lord…mom or dad? Who is seen as the spiritual leader? Mom or Dad? Kids aren’t stupid….they know.) The Lord will hold the heads of the households primarily responsible for what goes on. “The man said, “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate.” Genesis 3:12. God calls Adam to give the account and the distortion began: He blamed God and Eve for what happened.
Kids are sponges. They will soak every distortion up. Praise the Lord for His grace in our children’s life. If it wasn’t for His mercy, “The Lord of the Flies” would be our reality. Although the Lord is sovereign and has 100% control over everything, this does not mean that we step back and not teach our children. We need to teach and train them in the way of the Lord. We need to teach and train the boys to be men and girls to be women. It will be much more difficult (and hypocritical at times) if we don’t act or even know what true manhood and womanhood look like. I implore you to dig deeper, examine your heart, and become the man or woman God intended you to be…. its liberating. Your children and your children’s children will thank you.
“Shall a faultfinder contend with the Almighty? He who argues with God, let him answer it.” Job 40:2.

Nicole Leaman, Disciple Perspective 13 Comments [5/21/2017 2:10:28 PM]
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Submitted By: P.E.T.F

Quote# 127276

You cannot listen to Hawaiian radio, nor visit anywhere in Hawaii, where King Kamehameha is not idolized. Literally, the Hawaiians have turned their last dead king into a god that they worship. All you hear about in their music is about their dead king who died in a California hospital.

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King Kamehameha is sadly burning in Hell, because he died in his sins without Jesus Christ. The Hawaiians are infamous for worshipping volcanoes, the earth, rocks and the ocean. This is a road to Hell. The islands have always been plagued with willful ignorance and evil, homosexuality and feminism, where the inhabitants desire only to indulge in drunkenness and wickedness.

Sadly, most Hawaiians will go to Hell because they are arrogant. The Hawaiians are a sinfully proud culture and unmovable. They love their heathen dead king; while rejecting the King of kings, Jesus Christ. I am not hateful toward anyone, and not toward Hawaiians either. It's the other way around. Christians are hated in Hawaii. If you ever visit Hawaii, you will be told repeatedly by your tourist guides about the missionaries who forbade hula dancing and forced the Hawaiians to become Christians, and you will sense the contempt and hatred they have for Christians.

It is tragic that amongst all the beautiful music and nature in Hawaii that they would choose to worship a dead man, instead of worshipping the Lord Jesus Christ! I love people, all people. God is no respecter of persons and neither am I. But I call things as I see them. I see Hawaiians as arrogant, stubborn and sinfully proud; just as are many other cultures. Certainly, there are some born-again Hawaiians, and I thank God for both of them. The rest are going to burn in Hell. If that offends you, then it's only because you do not believe in a literal Hell that burns with fire and brimstone, where the wicked will be tormented day-and-night for all eternity (Revelation 20:15; 21:8). Amen and amen!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 28 Comments [5/19/2017 11:31:13 AM]
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Quote# 127266

The world's numerous religions are evidence for the spiritual source of our conscious human awareness.



Alan Burns, Religion and Ethics 13 Comments [5/19/2017 11:28:46 AM]
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Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 8787

One other thing...I dont hate atheists, I pity them.
When I ponder eternal suffering and fire that does not stop burning, I pity them that they choose that.

I would hope you seek grace to understand that God exists. Just so you know though, it is not my problem. Just giving you some info, and saying Hi.

WarriorAngel, Christian Forums 24 Comments [12/28/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 110001

[Another fundie has claimed that vampires are of the Antichrist, or something like that.]

You could make a good argument that most of the horror genre is a direct opposition/mockery of the Bible.

Zombies: resurrection
Vampire: communion/resurrection.
Ghosts: "It is appointed to man to die once, then the judgement" - not to hang around bothering people. Those who play with ghosts are playing with demons.

Acts5:41, Rapture Ready 24 Comments [6/24/2015 3:20:54 AM]
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Submitted By: documentingtehcrazy

Quote# 33907

YAHWEH is God’s Name ‘I Am’. If you spell it in Ancient Hebrew the letters are a picture of Messiah our Creator with His arms stretched out & His hands hooked by nails to the execution stake!

The Welders Wife, CSE blogs 49 Comments [1/22/2008 3:36:45 AM]
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Quote# 40940

Here again is an example of an attempt to indoctrinate people to the belief by four percent of the population, that there is no God.

How did such a small number of people come to have such power and defiance in removing God from America (and the world)??

America was founded as a Christian nation. And was greatly blessed by God for several hundred years.

But when we drove God out of America, have you noticed the increasing problems (economy, war against terror, abortion, homosexuality, crime, etc.). God is obviously alloowing the world to collapse.

Is that what we want for our children and grandchildren??? Or is it time to stand up and confront those who desire to destroy the world?

And share the saving gospel of Jesus Christ with them; because eternity is a long time to spend without God. And their decision is irreversible when they die. And that is only a few years, at most.

Pray for America.

L. Bell, Denver Post 43 Comments [6/14/2008 9:24:29 PM]
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Submitted By: Arrogant Atheist

Quote# 127274

I (@right-hand-path) am actually an Alumni of Liberty University, and I would say about 90% of my experiences with them have been good. I’ve also got a degree from a secular university with a reasonably “conservative” reputation, but I would probably say that only about 60% to 70% of my experiences there would have been “good” by comparison with LU. I can’t imagine the horrors of attending a secular university where “Social Justice” is the law of the land. So don’t let the negative perceptions of LU stop you from attending there if that is where you would like to go.

I specifically chose to go to LU because of it’s reputation. If secular society hates something that much, then you KNOW it must be good! (See John 15:18 and Matthew 10:22)

That said, pretty much all Christian universities are getting some hate these days, even from some self-identified “Christians” themselves. On my side blog (@anotherpointlessargument), I recently debated a “Christian” who insists that persecution doesn’t exist and Christians are actually “horrible people” that aren’t “Christ-like” enough for her personal taste. She then cited anecdotal evidence for this claim, her status as a student at a Baptist university, before refusing to talk to me any further.

It is sad that so many Christians are blind to the existence of persecution and the shift in worldviews of the majority of American citizens to an exclusively secular perspective that treats Christians as “bigots” who need to be silenced. However, this is the great thing about Liberty University, because they are one of the few educational institutions which directly confronts these problems and makes significant efforts to educate all their students about it.

If GOVT 200 isn’t required for your degree plan (it is required for most, to the best of my knowledge), I would strongly encourage you to take it as an elective. Prevailing Worldviews of Western Society Since 1500 by Glenn R. Martin is probably one of the most informative books I’ve ever read, and that class honestly contained more information than some of the graduate level classes I’ve taken at LU.

anti-christophobia, Tumblr 11 Comments [5/19/2017 11:30:46 AM]
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Quote# 127270

Muslim applies critical thinking to islam, asks for clarification/answers. Fundie responds:

Let me give you an advice. You can either accept that the world is much more complex than your Westernized world view which is a load of fantasy. There are harsh realities in this world that you won't be able to comprehend without coming to realism and leaving western fantasies.

Europeans have been lecturing muslims on humanism and yet they treat refugees worse than they treat their animals because of religion.

Spicen, ummah.com 14 Comments [5/18/2017 7:26:26 AM]
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Submitted By: Mister Spak

Quote# 127291

A Creationist Sues the Grand Canyon for Religious Discrimination
The national park wouldn’t let him collect rocks for research.

“How did the Grand Canyon form?” is a question so commonly pondered that YouTube is rife with explanations. Go down into the long tail of Grand Canyon videos, and you’ll eventually find a two-part, 35-minute lecture by Andrew Snelling. The first sign this isn’t a typical geology lecture comes about a minute in, when Snelling proclaims, “The Grand Canyon does provide a testament to the biblical account of Earth’s history.”

Snelling is a prominent young-Earth creationist. For years, he has given lectures, guided biblical-themed Grand Canyon rafting tours, and worked for the nonprofit Answers in Genesis. (The CEO of Answers in Genesis, Ken Ham, is also behind the Creation Museum and the Ark Encounter theme park.) Young-Earth creationism, in contrast to other forms of creationism, specifically holds that the Earth is only thousands of years old. Snelling believes that the Grand Canyon formed after Noah’s flood—and he now claims the U.S. government is blocking his research in the canyon because of his religious views.

Last week, Snelling sued park administrators and the Department of Interior, which administers the national parks program, because they would not grant him a permit to collect 50 to 60 fist-sized rocks. All research in the national park is restricted, especially if it requires removing material. But the Grand Canyon does host 80 research projects a year, ranging from archaeology digs to trout tracking.

Alliance Defending Freedom, a Christian legal advocacy group that filed the lawsuit on behalf of Snelling, alleged discrimination by the park. “National Park Service: Research in Grand Canyon okay for geologists … but not Christian ones,” read the headline on their press release. (Interior department and NPS spokespeople declined to comment because of the pending litigation.)

If the permit application hit a nerve, it’s because young-Earth creationists have a bit of an obsession with the Grand Canyon. Where geologists see billions of years of rock layers carved out by a persistent flow of water, young-Earth creationists see sediments laid down in Noah’s flood. As the flood receded, they believe, water became trapped behind natural dams, until it finally broke through in a “catastrophic erosion” that carved the Grand Canyon.

This is the story told on religious rafting trips organized by companies like Canyon Ministries, for which Snelling also works as a guide. In 2004, a book by the Canyon Ministry founder Tom Vail caused a stir when it was sold at the national park’s bookstores.

It’s all part of an uneasy relationship between the park and young-Earth creationists. The park does permit the rafting trips, and it has allowed creationists, including Snelling according to the lawsuit, to work in the park before. Another prominent young-Earth creationist, Steve Austin, took photos of nautiloid fossils in the park and used them to argue that the creatures died during the flood. “I think the NPS has felt a bit stung by past creationist research in the Grand Canyon,” says Steven Newton, who teaches geology at College of Marin and serves as the programs and policy director for the National Center for Science Education, a nonprofit that opposes teaching creationism in public schools.

Exactly why the park did not grant Snelling’s application is, of course, now the subject of a lawsuit. His project did involve collecting a sizable number of rocks, which can invite more scrutiny. In an email to Snelling filed as part of the lawsuit, a park officer said the project was not granted because the type of rock he wanted to study can also be found outside of the Grand Canyon. The park solicited peer reviews from three mainstream geologists. One mentioned the rocks could be found elsewhere; all three overwhelmingly denounced the work as not scientifically valid, a criterion the park also uses to evaluate proposals. Snelling, who holds a Ph.D. in geology, did not disclose his Answers in Genesis affiliation, nor did he explicitly say he wanted to prove the Grand Canyon is young in his initial permit application, but the reviewers became aware of his reputation.

Geology as a profession has struggled with what to do with young-Earth creationists, whose beliefs are contradicted by literal mountains of scientific evidence. Shut them down, and you get cries of censorship—like this lawsuit. “This just so plays into their hands,” Newton says about the national park’s treatment of Snelling’s application. Newton favors letting creationists do their research and then arguing on the merits of their science. But allowing them to present at scientific conferences, others say, is lending creationists legitimacy.

“That’s really a tough question because in science we want to be the type of community where people can bring about ideas that are controversial,” says Stephen Moshier, a geologist at Wheaton, a Christian liberal arts college in Illinois, and a former president of the Affiliation of Christian Geologists. The problem, according to Moshier, who is not a young-Earth creationist, is that they want mainstream geologists to be open to new ideas, but it’s the young-Earth creationists themselves who have proved inflexible in the face of new evidence contradicting their ideas. “Often I read things by young-Earth creationists where I think they really ought to know better. Many of them have excellent training in the geosciences,” he says. (Snelling declined to comment because of the lawsuit. Four other young-Earth creationists who study the Grand Canyon did not respond to requests for comment.)

That the Grand Canyon is the stage where this conflict now plays out is no coincidence. The canyon is such a potent example of the power of small changes over time—of what’s possible on geological time scales. “Look through any introductory geology textbook, any sedimentology textbook, and the Grand Canyon is going to be there in either full color or on the whole page,” says Moshier.

Last year, he and other Christian geologists published a book titled The Grand Canyon, Monument to an Ancient Earth, directly refuting young-Earth creationists who cite the canyon as evidence of Noah’s flood. “It wouldn’t be of any use writing about the Appalachian Mountains—even though I think we can make a stronger case for an ancient Earth there because the geology is so complex,” says Moshier. “Because they make a big deal out of the Grand Canyon and use it as a lab for young-Earth creationism and flood geology, that’s naturally where we had to focus the book.”

When young-Earth creationists invoke God, they are tapping into a real sense of wonder about the Grand Canyon. It’s easy—in fact all too human—to wonder how so small a river could have carved so vast a chasm. One partial answer is that the Glen Canyon dam has quelled the spring floods that originally bored through rock; the lazily winding Colorado River that you see today is not the river that formed the Grand Canyon. But also, humans are bad at intuiting the consequences of deep time. Once you add enough zeros to number of years they all start to sound the same.

It’s hard to imagine how much can happen in geological time. About 1.7 billion years ago, a series of volcanoes crashed into what would become the continent of North America and created mountains taller than the Himalayas today. Those mountains eroded back down to hills to form the rock that now rests at the base of the canyon. Over countless millions of years, a shallow sea expanded and contracted over the area, laying down the sediment that would become the sandstone, shale, and limestone layers. Plate tectonics then pushed those rock layers up and up to became the Colorado Plateau. And finally, flowing water carved its way down 1.7 billion years of rock.

It’s hard to imagine, but there is wonder and grandeur in this imagination, too.

Andrew Snelling, The Atlantic 25 Comments [5/18/2017 11:08:41 PM]
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Gays and lesbians are one of the most influential, best-connected, best-funded, and best-organized interest groups in modern politics, and have attained more legislative victories, political power, and popular favor in less time than virtually any other group in American history. Scary huh? Just remember that God is still upon His throne and the wicked have already been defeated, they just don't know it yet. Everyone must return to the dust of the earth, and THEN THE JUDGMENT (Hebrews 9:27).

Perverts like Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber and Katy Perry are pushing today's youth into the homosexual lifestyle. ABC's lesbian “modern family” and Walt Disney's teen programming are all pushing the homosexual agenda. God only knows the persecution and prosecution around the corner for God-fearing, faithful, sin-hating, Christ-honoring, believers in the United States. YOU ARE THE ENEMY CHRISTIANS! Most believers are eerily silent right now, because the homosexuals aren't fighting against us yet. You just wait! Once they gain solid control, you're going to see persecution of God-fearing Christians like never before in our nation.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 22 Comments [5/19/2017 11:33:55 AM]
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Where in the world did the idea come from that things left to themselves can improve with time? Who would start a crazy idea like that? This idea is the opposite of everything we observe in the world today. For instance, all the highways in our nation today left to themselves decay, deteriorate and fall apart. A house left to itself will become a wreck. It takes work and constant planning to make anything improve. Everything tends toward disorder.

Kent Hovind, Kent Hovind's Ph.D dissertation 77 Comments [1/14/2010 10:39:22 PM]
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we are in a Spiritual War with Secular Humanism and Atheism which isn't motivated by Love for anyone, and does truly lead all who embrace it to death. So don't be offended that we feel deeply and and passionately as we debate the evils these belief systems represent as they corrupt our young and lead the masses astray.


Unworthy Servant, Bibleforums.org 10 Comments [11/28/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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