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Quote# 141925

In order for everyone to truly love Jesus, no one can have sex with anyone, but Jesus. For, they would be cheating on the Son of God, who is whom everon's true love is.

Therefore, no other man but Jesus will have sex with any other woman, because every womans true love is Jesus.

Esoteric Teacher, Above Top Secret 18 Comments [1/10/2019 10:02:51 AM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 139423

Been reading the anti incel propaganda.

This shit is heartless and most article are written with ignorant conformity. They write so much about how we're all planning mass murders and rapes, meanwhile as all incels know, such posts are rare and almost always shitposting. I have yet to see a genuine threat of anything on any incel wbesite, and to find things that "rape Stacy" and "kill roasties" you would have to go through a couple pages and even then we're talking about shit that could only be taken seriously by a very old person or someone who is mentally disabled. The "entitlement to sex" bullshit needs to stop too. Roasties are the ones act entitled to sex, that's why they have reduced men to live their lives as disposable objects or varying degrees of worth. Imagine if a man could find the love of his life by simply choosing from thousands of images is a human being catalog, that would be "sexist" and "objectifying women"... Yet this is how they choose sex partners. It's retarded, incel mean involuntarily celibate, that's literally what it means, it means my mother didn't have the best genetics and is very unhealthy, it means that I was in her womb she did not pay close enough attention to her diet and what chemicals she was consuming... I am nothing more than a miscarriage who's heart is still beating, that is what being an incel really is, it's not an ideology or political movement... It's men, often from poverty infested, disease ridden, peasant families who were never worth a shit who have realized that they are too ugly to experience love, and too ugly to socialize with the rest of the world. Being incel isn't about wanting to commit mass acts of violence at all, in fact, it's more about looking at your face in the mirror, knowing how worthless your life is, and walking out the door HOPING to be the victim of a mass shooting. Incels would actually be the "hERos" of mass shootings because we would eagerly jump in the way of those bullets to end our misery instead of allowing those bullets to be wasted on happy normies who don't deserve a life exit like us. If such a thing happened though, they would just hire a Chad crisis actor and cover up the incel part of the story... These journalist writing about us, it's like insulting the rotting bones at the bottom of a dakhma. I don't even want a woman,I just want to fix my ugliness so I don't have to stress about it anymore

Sparrow's Song, incels.me 5 Comments [1/13/2019 3:54:24 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 141927

Not only do homosexuals commit pedophilia at 16x the rate of straights, they are responsible for 55% of new AIDS cases each year. A very small segment of our population is responsible for wildly disproportionate rates of pedophilia and AIDS. And yet they are still protected by PC.
Yes, I know the prog/libs will consider this post as "Hate Speech" but it is the truth.
Source: US CDC.

Endangered, Rapture Forums 14 Comments [1/10/2019 10:05:44 AM]
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Quote# 141936

God avoids GitHub. GitHub and all projects using Git are the property of Satan.

fschmidt, Reddit 20 Comments [1/10/2019 10:15:03 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 141909

"exploited beta providers"

I've been saying it for years, incel ideology is an SJW ideology. It's the same oppression olympics nonsense (you can read it in Elliot Rodger's manifesto too, it's practically an incel manifesto). This guy couldn't have made it more clear, he even uses the same buzzwords now.

They see women as an exploiter class and men as an oppressed class (similar to third wave feminism only in reverse).

You guys sad to say have a lot more in common than you think.

And of course Pharaoh Bastethotep himself is an admitted incel LOL. The reason he seems to be the only one constantly submitting these quotes is because he's trying hard to make you think he's one of the "good incels".

Such a transparent virtue signaler.

You're not fooling me buddy.

Anonymous, FSTDT comments 12 Comments [1/8/2019 3:32:04 PM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 113547

I love the illustration of standing on a chair to change a lightbulb. Even if I am 99% sure that the chair is too shaky and won't be able to support my entire weight, it is still nothing less than 100% faith if I stand upon the chair. Of course, in reality no one in their right mind would stand upon a shaky looking chair that they were convinced wouldn't support them. Albeit, it would still be 100% faith if I did choose to stand upon the chair unaided by a helper, rope or something to cling to in case I fall.

Please understand that optimism (a positive outlook) is NOT faith. I could stand there all day proclaiming how much I believe the chair will hold me up if I were to stand upon it. I can say loud and confidently, “I believe! Boy, brother, you've just got to believe! I believe that this chair can hold me up!” But that is NOT faith at all, not even in the least, because I am not standing upon the chair. So even in the presence of great optimism, I can have no faith at all. That's what Modernists and Roman Catholics have, that is, they really think they're going to Heaven, but they've never trusted Christ. Catholics instead trust their church and the seven sacraments to save them. Modernists trust their humanism, self-righteous works and new age spiritism.

In sharp contrast, the Biblical Christian rests completely in the finished redemptive work of Jesus Christ, standing upon the chair (which pictures Christ in our example). Saying you believe that Christ can save you is not faith, anymore than saying you think the chair can support your weight is trust in the chair. Even if you have 99% doubt in the Bible, God will save you if you'll believe the gospel. That is, if you'll personally receive Christ's death upon the cross, His burial and bodily resurrection from the dead as payment for your sins, you will be saved.

All mankind are sinners. As such we are all under the condemnation of God's law. There is a price for sin that we all owe to God. That price is spending eternity burning in the Lake of Fire! Consequently, we need to find someone who doesn't owe that price, someone who is not condemned, someone who can pay that price for us. Blessed be the name of the Lord, Jesus is the Christ Who paid the price for our sins with His own blood! Jesus was miraculously born of a virgin, lived a totally sinless life, and was accepted by God the Father as a well-pleasing sacrifice for the sins of the world. JESUS PAID THE PRICE!

Romans 4:5-6, “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works.” Notice that we just read a man's “faith is counted for righteousness.” That is so important to understand. It means that all the heretics requiring intent to reform as part of salvation are liars, wrong and false prophets! This includes Aiden Tozer, John MacArthur, Jack Chick, David Cloud, William Lane Craig, Ray Comfort, Kirk Cameron, Benny Hinn, Eric Hovind, Paul Taylor and thousands more. Jesus is Lord, you don't make Him Lord! You simply trust Jesus to be saved.

David J. Stewart, God Loves People 31 Comments [10/13/2015 3:26:01 AM]
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Quote# 141926

Honestly if anyone says this I automatically know they either haven't read genesis or are bold faced lying. The bible says plants were made the day before the sun and birds were made before land animals, and that the earth is older than all of the stars. No evolutionist I know has ever made any of those claims. It is always that the order is sun>earth>plants>ocean animals>land animals> birds

The bible says the order is earth>plants>sun>ocean animals=birds>land animals.

From a standpoint of literal ages it just doesn't make sense, so the next thing is to allegorize it or to say it is picked up from folklore in the area. Of course you don't have to perform the mental gymnastics if you take God's word at face value

Salluz, Rapture Forums 18 Comments [1/10/2019 10:05:39 AM]
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Quote# 141923

Poor England. Looking forward to the past that is not coming back.
The fish rots from the head, and so are the English. King Farooq of Egypt in 1952, who upon being deposed by Nasser quipped:

“ .. In the end there will be only 5 kings left in the world: Four in the deck of cards, and one in England."

And all five of them, equally worthless.

In 4 centuries from Elizabeth to Elizabeth, England went from sublime to ridiculous, from the Queen of Shakespeare - ascendant, humane, progressive, opening to the world, to today Elizabeth when Scots want out, and English to exit Europe in self-doubt and self-pity, turning inwards.

Elizabeth I was vivacious, flirtatious, supremely feminine, powerful, Elizabeth II is staid, robotic, manly, heartless, pesty, having driven the real nobility, the people’s Queen Diana to her early fate.

One day some 25 years ago I was visiting my late mother in an ex-British Colony watching the Queen on TV. “I pity this woman”, said my mother, with a mix of empathy and scorn, recalling the trouble this Queen's wayward children were putting her through. From then on I felt a kind of reverence for my mother as never before, and a newfound confidence. With a mother like mine now it will be not me who blinks first before a Royalist. England was cooked, nay fried. I was right.

The 20th century was defined by Anglos - USA and UK - divide and rule. Today. both have bit dust. Tomorrow is defined by unification - of Asia, Africa, and continental Europe in one land mass common market. UK, USA, Japan, Austalia are distant islands unconnected with action.

The days of sea are gone (except for commodities). It takes 45-60 days to ship products from China to Europe. BRI plans to cut this to 34 hours - high speed trains at 250 km/hr. The English can build all the bases they can to no use. Who needs snail paced sea lanes? The Anglos have not only lost their colonies and influence, they have lost their minds.

Lament for a people who ruled the world for 250 years.

If you are so smart to make all these comments, why did you choose to come to Canada, take an oath to Elizabeth I, earn your bread and spew your B.S? Why don't you return to your debt ridden , Mullah driven country?

Perry Kamath, Greetings

Muslims are populating the earth everywhere for the same reason Europeans came to America. Opportunity.

400 years ago Europeans found a violent cruel people on the verge of extinction, so they took over. Today, the Corporate Capitalist West is below replenishment with a wasteful unsustainable lifestyle for the same reasons. Tomorrow when you are gone we and our children will populate this land.

Remember, you may think that Germany is for Germans, Brazil for Brazilians, but Allah gave the entire universe to us. Do you mind? Enjoy the party while it lasts.

Syed Fazal Abbas, Asia Times 6 Comments [1/10/2019 10:02:30 AM]
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Quote# 141905



The first Pope to change his name and adopt a throne name was Pope John II in 533. 2 cardinals named Peter changed their names to John because they knew that Saint John was the true successor of Christ . . . and not Saint Peter!

In reality, there have been 24 Popes named John. Pisan Pope John XXIII (1410–1415) has been deleted from the list of Popes . . . so that leaves 23.

The Cathedral of the Most Holy Saviour and of Saints John the Baptist and the Evangelist in the Lateran, (Italian: Santissimo Salvatore e Santi Giovannit Battista ed Evangelista in Laterano).

Even though the Basilica is located on Italian soil, it is still under the jurisdiction of Vatican City State!

It is a real mystery how Mystery Babylon changed the Messiah's name, yet named 24 Popes after his successor!

It is beyond belief that 24 Popes named themselves after the Apostle John the Beloved, who exposed the Legs of Iron, and the feet and toes of Iron and Clay, on every page of the Apocalypse!

Patrick Scrivener, Reformation 5 Comments [1/8/2019 3:30:06 PM]
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Submitted By: Jacob Harrison

Quote# 141906

A Mob Of Pro-Brexit Protesters Called Pro-Remain MP Anna Soubry A “Nazi” During A TV Interview

This is the latest incident to involve abuse hurled at Brexit-sceptic politicians and journalists outside the houses of parliament in the last few weeks.

Conservative MP Anna Soubry, a passionate opponent of Brexit, was forced to stop midway through a TV interview on Monday as a crowd of pro-Brexit supporters jeered “Soubry is a Nazi”.

Soubry was appearing live on the BBC News Channel, speaking to host Simon McCoy when the football terrace–style chant began.

As it grew in volume, Soubry stopped halfway through a sentence and said: “I do object to being called a Nazi, actually. I just think this astonishing, this is what has happened to our country. Anyway, let’s try and move on and be positive about things.”

Soubry, who has been publicly harangued by pro-Brexit protesters before, called on the police to “do their job” after the incident.

BuzzFeed News reported in December that broadcasters have hired private security firms for their broadcasts outside parliament, such is the threat from protesters.

Some of the protesters were wearing yellow vests, a symbol of anti-establishment protests in France that has since been adopted by nationalist, right-wing groups in Britain.

And according to this footage, after the interview the same protesters then followed Soubry, continuing to harass and abuse her as she made her way back to parliament.

Also on Monday, the pro-Corbyn columnist and activist Owen Jones was, not for the first time, accosted by what he described as Tommy Robinson supporters as he made his way through Westminster.

Labour MP Stephen Doughty brought up the Soubry incident in the House of Commons during a debate on Brexit.

“Mr Speaker, before I ask my question, can I draw your attention to some further serious events going on outside parliament today,” he said. “Intimidation, threats, potentially unlawful actions, targeting members of this house, members of the press, members of the public, and peaceful activists.

“Can I urge you to use your offices with the Metropolitan police at the highest level to ensure this is dealt with, it’s been repeatedly raised.”

Brexit secretary Stephen Barclay said he hadn’t seen the incident, but said that all MPs were aware of the fate of Jo Cox, the Labour MP who was murdered by a far-right terrorist in 2016.

“Anyone who stands at this despatch box is always mindful of the plaque of Jo Cox, which I know is so dear to many, particularly on the benches opposite, but across the house, and I think all of us would unite that wherever people are on the Brexit debate, is that all of us in this house should be able to air their views with respect.”

Commons speaker John Bercow later responded in the house: “I have been made aware of recent incidents involving aggressive and threatening behaviour towards members and others by assorted protesters who have donned the yellow vests used in France.”

“I am concerned at this stage, I say no more than that I am concerned at this stage, about what seems to be a pattern of protest targeted in particular — I don't say exclusively — but in particular at women.

“Female members, and in a number of cases I am advised female journalists, have been subjected to aggressive protest, and what many would regard as harassment. I can assure the house that I am keeping a close eye on events, and I will speak to those who advise me about these matters.”

As Stewart McDonald, SNP MP for Glasgow South, noted, this is all on the first day of the 2019 parliamentary session.

Brexit Mob, Buzzfeed 12 Comments [1/8/2019 3:30:34 PM]
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Quote# 58760

Although 1st Corinthians 6:9 is clearly condemning homosexuality and cross-dressing, it is also equally clear that any form of femininity in a man is sinful. This is why Deuteronomy 22:5 condemns men wearing women's apparel. Clearly, it is not acceptable for men to wear women's clothing. Men are to be men! Men should talk like men, dress like men, walk like men, and act like men. Kilts on men are sissyish. Although a man wearing a kilt may be tough, the skirt makes him look silly and foolish. Although most men who wear kilts aren't gay, it makes one wonder why any man would ever want to wear clothing that is considered women's apparel by 99% of the population. A quick look at any bathroom door will quickly reveal that men wear pants, and women wear dresses.

Jesus said in Matthew 11:8, "But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses." John the Baptist was rugged, as a man should be. The men who lived in the palace wore "soft" clothing, i.e., they didn't look or act like REAL MEN. I've never seen a construction worker wearing a kilt. I've never seen a truck mechanic or a coal miner wearing a kilt. I only see men with clean jobs, or playing bagpipes, wearing kilts. Kilts are for men in the palace, not for John the Baptist type men ... real men!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is savior 145 Comments [2/11/2009 4:51:04 PM]
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Submitted By: Nameless

Quote# 126102

[Comment under "The Complicity of FTTs in the harming of women"]

Its complicated, and for me, personal.

She, my daughter is both victim and complicit. Wrapped up in my own flesh and blood. Who I have known from before her birth. Who we have cared for and fed all her life. Who I have cleaned shit and puke off, waited endless hours in hospitals for, bought clothes, toiletries and towels for.

I can empathise with why she has made her choices, how she can't stand alone against the misogyny and homophobia of society, how every org and social group that should be telling her shes fine as what she is, is telling her that its just so much better to trans and how being a lesbian or even a GNC straight woman who isn't gagging to poked, is just so uncool and transphobic.

But I hate the ideology that led her there and I hate it still when she repeats it. Sometimes is really hard not to hate her.

GenderCriticalDad, Reddit - r/GenderCritical 10 Comments [4/8/2017 5:01:26 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 8966

Sure, the [birth control] hormones in birth control lower the risk of ovarian cancer, which is, at this time, undetectable, but I've read reports that the estrogen in it raise the risk of breast cancer. Personally, I'm not going to take something that lowers the risk of one type of cancer while raising the risk of another type. I'll take my chances with natural family planning (which is NOT the rhythm method) and my family history of neither types of cancer. Also, the pill is only 99% effective if taken at the EXACT same time every day, and I don't know any teenager that's capable of that (in the case of Jerusha_Girl.) I disagree with your want to take your daughter to family planning the day she gets her period so much, it's not even funny. It's as if you're saying, "You're a woman now, go have sex!"

firstkid4me, Christian Forums 14 Comments [1/11/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 141886

India outcry after scientists claim ancient Hindus invented stem cell research

The organisers of a major Indian science conference said they were concerned by speakers citing religious texts and ideas at the event

The organisers of a major Indian science conference distanced themselves on Sunday from speakers who used the prestigious event to dismiss Einstein’s discoveries and claim ancient Hindus invented stem cell research.

The Indian Scientific Congress Association expressed “serious concern” as the unorthodox remarks aired by prominent academics at its annual conference attracted condemnation and ridicule.

The distinguished gathering of Indian researchers and scientists, which was held over the weekend, hosts Nobel laureates, but in recent years has seen Hindu faith-based theories edging onto the agenda.

At this year’s congress, the head of a southern Indian university cited an ancient Hindu text as proof that stem cell research was discovered on the subcontinent thousands of years ago.

“We had 100 Kauravas from one mother because of stem cell and test tube technology,” said G. Nageshwar Rao, vice chancellor at Andhra University, referring to a story from the Hindu epic Mahabharata.

Rao, who was addressing school children and scientists at the event, also said a demon king from another centuries-old Hindu epic had two dozen aircraft and a network of landing strips in modern-day Sri Lanka.

“Hindu Lord Vishnu used guided missiles known as ‘Vishnu Chakra’ and chased moving targets,” added the professor of inorganic chemistry.

Event organisers tried to hose down the remarks, saying it was “unfortunate” the prestigious event had been derailed by controversy.

“We don’t subscribe to their views and distance ourselves from their comments. This is unfortunate,” said Premendu P Mathur, general secretary of Indian Scientific Congress Association.

“There is a serious concern about such kind of utterances by responsible people.”

Another speaker, a scientist from a university in southern Tamil Nadu state, also raised eyebrows by questioning the breakthroughs of Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein.

India is no stranger to prominent figures citing ancient Hindu texts like the Puranas and Vedas as ironclad evidence of the country’s technological prowess.

India’s minister for higher education Satyapal Singh last year said Darwin’s theory of evolution was wrong, and vowed to change the national school curriculum to reflect that.

The minister hails from the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), which rules 17 of India’s 29 states and territories outright or through alliances.

BJP leader and prime minister Narendra Modi in 2015 pointed to Hindu scriptures as proof that plastic surgery existed in ancient India.

Science minister Harsh Vardhan last year said ancient Greeks took credit from India for early mathematical principles and misquoted Stephen Hawking as praising the Vedas for discoveries greater than Einstein’s theory of relativity.

The Breakthrough Science Society, an Indian-based educational charity, said it was “astounded and even horrified” at the remarks made at an academic summit.

“Puranic verses and epics are poetic, enjoyable, contain moral elements and [are] rich in imagination but [are] not scientifically constructed or validated theories,” the group said in a statement Sunday.

“Such a hallowed assembly of scientists has been misused to make false and chauvinistic claims about ancient India.”

G. Nageshwar Rao and others, The Guardian 8 Comments [1/7/2019 5:31:59 AM]
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Quote# 141911

*Responding to a comment on David and Jonathan*

Oh look, another fool who thinks they were gay. Read this to learn.


*Gets informed that historical King James himself may have been gay and gets a link about that*

More foolish nonsense. No doubt something random you pulled out a search engine to make your point.

Mark Jones, Religion News 11 Comments [1/9/2019 4:55:27 AM]
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Quote# 141918

I Hate Everyone

I was typing away on my computer, when my mother commented that I hated everyone.

The idea never actually occurred to me before. However, I realized I don't like a single person on this planet. I like my cat, I like my dog, and that's about it. I try to be a good person, do the right thing...

But everyone is just so selfish, self-absorbed, annoying to the extreme. I can't stand to be around people most of the time and listen to their tiny mundane concerns when really -- the whole world is pretty messed up and there are seriously more important problems than x, y, or z. Then it occurred to me. Is there a reason why I'm so nice to people who frankly don't deserve it? Why do I put up with people hugging me and shaking my hand, when really I wish them on the other side of the planet where they can't bother me or anyone else.

I claim to be "zen" without any hatred, but maybe I'm just deluding myself.

I look at history and I see so many places where we could have taken a different path ... and maybe this would better.

So, I guess I'm asking for a bit of advice. Am I misanthropic? Wikipedia is being so vague ...

Or do I need to go searching for some other explanation as to why I feel this way.

excentrykemuse, r/misanthropy 11 Comments [1/9/2019 11:44:01 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 3366

OK, so what if the earth is billions of years old. So what? That doesn't prove evolution exists. Besides, in the Bible, it never states how long it was between the creation of man and the fall of man. It could have been billions of years. Civilizations like Atlantis could have existed in this period.

Aqua_Raptor, BlizzForums 11 Comments [6/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 141922

China’s ambassador accuses Canada of ‘white supremacy’ in Huawei CFO arrest

Ambassador Lu Shaye wrote in an op-ed for an Ottawa-based paper that western countries are employing a ‘double standard’

China’s ambassador to Canada has accused the country of “white supremacy” in calling for the release of two Canadians detained in China last month.

The arrests were in apparent retaliation for the arrest of a top Chinese tech executive in Canada.

But Ambassador Lu Shaye said in an op-ed in the Ottawa-based Hill Times on Wednesday that western countries are employing a “double standard” in demanding the immediate release of the Canadians.

“The reason why some people are used to arrogantly adopting double standards is due to western egotism and white supremacy,” Lu wrote.

“What they have been doing is not showing respect for the rule of law, but mocking and trampling the rule of law.”

China detained Canadian ex-diplomat Michael Kovrig and entrepreneur Michael Spavor on 10 December 2018 on vague allegations of “engaging in activities that endanger the national security” of China.

The arrests came 10 days after Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou was arrested in Canada at the request of the US, which wants her extradited to face charges that she misled banks about the company’s business dealings in Iran. A Canadian judge granted Meng bail while she awaits extradition proceedings.

Le wrote that “elites” in Canada are completely dismissing China’s law by demanding the immediate release of the Canadians.

“It seems that, to some people, only Canadian citizens shall be treated in a humanitarian manner and their freedom deemed valuable, while Chinese people do not deserve that,” Lu said.

Lu also wrote that Meng was arrested without violating any Canadian law, suggesting that Canada should never detain someone for extradition.

Roland Paris, a former foreign policy adviser to Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau, called Lu’s claims “hogwash”.

“I don’t know what the ambassador was trying to accomplish but his article won’t help China’s cause,” Paris said.

Paris noted Canada is following extradition law while the Canadians were seized in China under suspicious circumstances and China has held them without charge.

Julian Ku, the senior associate dean for academic affairs at Hofstra Law, noted China has still not revealed any specific information about what Kovrig and Spavor are charged with and have not given them a judicial hearing and thus Canada is not wrong with calling the arrests arbitrary.

“I am struck by how brazen they are being by making this appeal,” Ku said. “He says: ‘You are being racist by not respecting our law.’ That’s an easy card to play.”

Lu also seemed to admit detaining the Canadians was in retaliation for the Meng arrest.

“I have recently heard a word repeatedly pronounced by some Canadians: bullying. They said that by arresting two Canadian citizens as retaliation for Canada’s detention of Meng, China was bullying Canada. To those people, China’s self-defence is an offence to Canada,” Lu wrote.

Alex Lawrence, a spokesman for Canadian foreign minister Chrystia Freeland, did not address Lu’s claims.

Huawei, whose billionaire founder Ren Zhengfei has long had ties with both the People’s Liberation Army and the Communist party, has faced national security concerns in multiple countries.

Huawei has been banned from involvement in the installation of 5G mobile networks in India, New Zealand and Australia, blocked from making acquisitions in the US and banned from selling phones on military bases by the Pentagon.

But, in his column, Lu dismissed such concerns and instead pointed to monitoring and spying programs carried out by the US National Security Agency and the Five Eyes alliance countries (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the UK and the US).

“Something is considered as ‘safeguarding national security’ when it is done by western countries. But it is termed ‘conducting espionage’ when done by China. What’s the logic?” he wrote.

Lu Shaye, The Guardian 5 Comments [1/10/2019 10:02:01 AM]
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Quote# 141872

Walt Heyer knows firsthand what it’s like to undergo sex change surgery and then regret it. After living as a woman for nearly a decade, he decided to accept his biological sex and de-transition back to male. By then, Walt had received intensive cognitive therapy that helped him recognize early childhood trauma he had experienced.
The trauma resulted in a mental condition known as dissociative identity disorder (DID). In the clarity of that realization, his gender dysphoria simply vanished. His life as a “woman” all amounted to an attempt to escape reality. Sadly, too few people consider the possibility that gender dysphoria can manifest as a byproduct or symptom of other mental conditions, and most certainly of DID. (More on that below.)

Walt suffered huge waves of regret as a result of following through with his urge to be a woman. He had eagerly taken the bait of politicized medical practitioners, who hurried him along in the transition. He not only regretted what he had done to his body, he also grieved over the estrangement from his wife and children caused by his drastic change in identity.

There was collateral damage to other personal relationships as well. He also regretted the lost decade of his life in which he lived in the persona of a woman.

Heyer’s New Book Shines Light on Trans Life Survivors
Heyer has written several books on transgender regret, but his sixth and newest book, “Trans Life Survivors,” is not his personal story. It’s a compilation of the stories of many others caught up in today’s “transmania.” They specifically sought out Walt to get some much-needed support. They’ve shared their lonely, surreal experiences falling down the trans rabbit hole, hoping to escape as he did.

Walt’s correspondents describe a wide range of frustrating and confusing experiences. Some are nudged into transgenderism by social pressures and emotional manipulation. Many are hastily sent into surgery without adequate counseling (or any counseling at all), or are misdiagnosed. Some of those regret their decision very shortly after having irreversible surgery.

Many concerns about childhood traumas are ignored by therapists who are politically motivated to push as many patients as possible into sex change. They also fear intense ostracism and vicious backlash from the trans community if they “come out” as a potential de-transitioner.

Walt wrote “Trans Life Survivors,” he says, because he wants others “to catch a glimpse of the raw emotions and experiences of people who are harmed by the grand – and dangerous – experiment of cross-sex hormones and surgical affirming procedures.”

Helping Others Escape the Trans Rabbit Hole
For many years, Heyer’s website was virtually the only place for a trans regretter to get some relief from the social and political pressures crashing down. Many of his readers express a joyful sense of liberation in knowing that they are not all alone.

Much of their isolation is caused by our society’s slavish obedience to political correctness, which dictates that there is “no such thing” as transgender regret. Even worse, the transgender lobby is making it very difficult for such people to get the counseling they desperately want and need.

They’ve set up roadblocks in the form of new laws that virtually ban standard cognitive therapy for people who diagnose themselves with gender dysphoria, particularly those who are undecided about their path or actually regret it after the fact. Any legitimate form of talk therapy—therapy that allows for real Q-and-A that doesn’t necessarily result in affirmation of gender dysphoria—has been smeared with the label “conversion therapy.”
Regretters are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. They are not unlike recruits in a dangerous cult who sense that something is amiss, but feel trapped in a Hotel California (or even a Jonestown).

So “Trans Life Survivors” is a godsend for people struggling with trans regret, no matter what stage of transition or de-transition they are in. The book highlights 30 stories gleaned from among the many hundreds Heyer has received from his readers. Many more transgender people have contacted Walt over the years. Walt has been trying valiantly to keep up with the increasing volume of contacts.

His readers are grateful to find a place they can get real and rare information about how changing their identity might affect them down the road—or, increasingly, how they can de-transition once they realize how unhappy the process has made them.

Just Imagine How Regretting a Sex Change Would Feel

Can you imagine what it must be like to tell a therapist of your experience being abused as a child, which you offer as a possible explanation for your dysphoria, only to have the psychiatrist totally ignore that aspect of your past and instead push you to sex-change procedures as the only way to overcome your angst?
Imagine that you then defer to and trust the professional’s expertise, and you accept the treatment. Then, can you imagine, after going through all of that—the hormones, the mutilating surgeries, etc.—you realize it just didn’t work? You end up asking yourself: What did I do? Why did I go ahead with this? Then the trans lobby tells you it’s all your fault, you should have known better, and you’re not really trans anyway, so shut up.

That’s Billy’s story. But his story has a good ending that inspires regretters who have lost hope. Billy de-transitioned, fell in love, and ended up marrying a woman with children. This echoes Walt’s own life experience after de-transitioning. He too fell in love and married an amazing woman. They live a very joyful, rich, and fulfilling spiritual life together as Christians.

Such happy endings and strong relationships might seem unlikely to those who think they’ve hit rock bottom. But those results are real, and they are a source of much hope to those who yearn to de-transition, but who feel “abandoned, ostracized, outcast, and alone,” like Kevin, who reported that his sex-change was the biggest mistake of his life. Only God knows how many regretters Walt has steered away from suicide and towards renewed life.

Hard-to-Find Resources
In “Trans Life Survivors,” you’ll also read about “Blair,” who holds a Guinness World Record for most gender-reassignment surgeries: 167 surgeries to make him feel more like a woman. Needless to say, it didn’t work out. But we can easily suspect in his case the existence of surgical predators who take advantage of vulnerable people. Many others, like Michael, recognize that it’s all “a sick money-making industry.”

Others who have communicated with Walt include parents whose children are being pressured into gender transition by public school officials, social media, and pop culture. “Trans Life Survivors” also includes chapters on the medical realities of sex change as well as the politicization of medicine and psychiatry that locks people into a transgender identity.

The book ends with a useful listing of further resources for those who seek to find a way out. Such resources are very hard to come by, so the book is truly a public service.

Suppressed Support For Those De-Transitioning
After the novelty of the transition wears off—and it very often does—the regretter is stuck in a never-never land of keeping up facades and pretenses. Many report that the constant charade is emotionally draining and casts a pall over life. But if they express a desire to change back, their friends in the trans community often become angry and reject and isolate them.

Walt cites numerous studies confirming that most cases of gender dysphoria co-exist with other mental conditions.
Being shunned by one’s own community is painful. Eric wrote: “I’m trying to come out as a regretter, and I’m finding the community backlash to be difficult and the lack of medical support to be troubling.”

Walt knows that feeling very well. The transgender lobby has come out hard against him when he has spoken publicly about his personal experiences. In addition to smearing him with various epithets such as “religious nut” or “transphobic,” the lobby has worked hard to de-platform him.

Media Matters went into panic mode and ran a smear article when Walt gave a persuasive interview to CNN’s Carol Costello after Olympian Bruce Jenner’s 2015 transition. (Walt’s instincts tell him that Jenner regrets his decision, but is hopelessly stuck in the cultish trap of the limelight. I believe he’s right about that.)
Eric reported an unsettling lack of medical support. Walt cites numerous studies confirming that most cases of gender dysphoria co-exist with other mental conditions, such as DID, bipolar disorder, depression, and obsessive-compulsive disorders. If those other conditions were first treated through cognitive therapy, there’s no telling how much that would alleviate gender dysphoria without any need for invasive surgeries and hormonal treatments.
But this seems to be a well-guarded secret by political and media activists with a stake in promoting identity politics in general, and gender ideology in particular. Why? Probably because it could solve their problems, and their problems are the bread-and-butter of identity politics.

Free Speech Is More Important than Ever
The pressure can be even worse when dealing with the government agencies that supposedly respect the right to choosing one’s sex. Walt spent about 30 years—making eight to ten attempts—before he finally got a judge in California to reinstate the word “male” on his birth certificate. Despite all that, the transgender lobby insists Walt was never really transgender in the first place! Yet, strangely, they accept his diagnosis of dissociative identity disorder.

Would they allow people with gender dysphoria to seek out therapies that actually explore its psychological source?

The key question is this: Would Walt’s accusers allow others the same therapy, allowing them clarity to sort out whether their gender dysphoria is a part of a co-existing condition? After all, when claiming that Walt was “never transgender” they often point out and accept his diagnosis of DID. The Media Matters story cited above did just that.

So would they allow people with gender dysphoria to seek out therapies that actually explore its psychological source? And then allow their condition to be treated so their gender dysphoria might actually vanish without facades and surgeries?

Obviously not, since this goes against the trans activists’ claim that there’s such a thing as a woman’s brain trapped in a man’s body, and vice versa. Real cognitive therapy threatens to collapse that house of cards.
The ban on so-called conversion therapy is really a ban on all talk therapy that doesn’t affirm self-diagnosed gender dysphoria. Any therapist who so much as questions a patient’s yearning to be the other sex risks losing his or her license, or worse.

If the patient has nagging questions, therapists cannot even entertain those questions without putting license and job at risk, since the interpretation of what constitutes “conversion therapy” is so loose. It’s all up to trans activists and their legislative machinery. Psychotherapists are increasingly aware that they are now legally required to play along with each and every self-diagnosed case of gender dysphoria presented to them, or face legal consequences.

De-Transitioners Are Simply on a Journey Home
When one speaks of “going home” in the poetic sense, it has nothing to do with abuses or dysfunction that one might have experienced, leading to gender dysphoria. Being “home” simply means having a sense of being in the right place, living out your God-given purpose in your God-given body. It means being comfortable in your own skin so you can enjoy the view outward instead of constant navel-gazing.

When you don’t have that joy, or if you’ve lost it along the way, a different sort of dysphoria sets in. It can go by the name homesickness.

At some point in our maturity, we realize that joy and adventure don’t have to be in some alien place. When you go looking for your heart’s desire, to paraphrase Dorothy in the “Wizard of Oz,” there is much to discover right in your own backyard.

In fact, there is probably even more excitement in discovering the true reality of who you are than in pursuing shiny objects, trying to pretend to be someone else, and then trying to force everybody around you to cater to that persona. How exhausting.

The Joy Outweighs the Sorrow
As scary as de-transitioning might seem, once the possibility of it is validated by someone like Heyer, who’s been there and done that, there is a great joy in it, no matter the physical disfigurement or the years wasted.
At some point, like Dorothy, you realize that there really is no place like home.

Trent explained this when he wrote that he was very much looking forward to having his breast implants removed and getting men’s clothes back into his wardrobe: “It’s really been so exciting going back to who I really am!” He also noted: “Hidden deep underneath the make-up and female clothing was the little boy carrying the hurts from traumatic childhood events and he was making himself known. Being a female turned out to be only a cover up, not healing.”

Such attempted cover-ups are analogous to reaching for a mirage. In this case we might say it’s a rainbow-like mirage. Regretters are not unlike Dorothy—and all of us—who sang wistfully searching for a place “over the rainbow” where our troubles melt away. But the rainbow always recedes as you try to reach it. And it’s ephemeral, disappearing with varying conditions.

At some point, like Dorothy, you realize that there really is no place like home. You can finally see the magic, the warmth, in the seemingly mundane. But regretters first need to escape the isolation and the loneliness foisted on them by a culture that rejects their condition.

As Walt notes, they need support to make this trek, as did he: “Regretters going back need people around them to lend strength for the journey – people willing to listen with love, speak healing words, provide emotional, legal and financial assistance and cheer them on to their homecoming.”

“Trans Life Survivors” serves as a road map to make that journey back home.

Stella Morabito, The Federalist 10 Comments [1/7/2019 5:29:46 AM]
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Quote# 141864

Lucid, deep, cogent, timely. Like Pepe always.

In the 1950s, fresh with Sputnik the Soviets were bragging to bury capialism 6 feet under, Mao wisely advised his people that America was a paper tiger. And that was loooong before the Vietnam rout, 9/11, Iraq misdeed, Af-Pak quagmire, financial meltdown, and Trump.

China can not lose as it has an unlikely 5th column in the West - the Jews. While China had to limit its population by law, Whites in Capitalist West are dying from within. The 2,000 year old Jewish hate of Christians has in modern times allowed them to infect Christianity with pornography available to kids in their primary schools.

Jews started this 100 billion $ industry using their male performers on Catholic school girls, and has so demeaned the white women that no white man wants them as mothers anymore. Hence the deep population decline among European/American whites. How can America win without young men to fight as neither the Latinos nor Blacks nor Muslims in the West want to fight the White's wars.

But these are times to make money. Trump will artificially keep the $ strong till his 2020 win, but will then make it plummet. He wants the Apples to move back home, but the only way America can compete in the world is by dropping its wages to 1/4th of what they are in real terms today. So it is time to short the $ - borrow heavily in America and invest in Asia now, for your money to quadruple in 2 years, without even trying. Go for it.

Syed Fazal Abbas, Asia Times 11 Comments [1/7/2019 4:58:04 AM]
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Quote# 141892

Islamic Slavery is secretly desired by the progressives of USA and Europe, and is a vengeance plan for the Holocaust.

That way pedophiles in Democratic Party and the various celebrities can get their child slaves, and finally a society where they can flaunt their perversion and get away with it as long as they pay jizya with no one to rebel.

The women who openly clamor for "welcoming refugees" are under the influence of their feminine hormonal urges of submission, hoping for a Muslim owner and finally an alpha male apart from local soyboys.

The weak men that are progressive simply do it out of self destructive slow suicidal thoughts, like the american white girl who only dates black because she hates her own skin due to indoctrination.

It's a planned event, slow infiltration to disrupt the society and ethnogroup of Indigenous Europe.

The reasons are very simple. Islam expands, and its enablers, progressives (most of them Jews), do it out of hatred, and typical Semitic underhandedness.

Operation Naqam just changed its cover. Instead of poisoning water, entire Europe is being genetically corrupted.

StellarisJunkie (aka Pepe AKA the Turkish Jewish Nazi Frog), r/unpopularopinion 7 Comments [1/7/2019 1:41:53 PM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 58387

As a creationist I have studied biology, geology, astronomy, physics, history, logic, theology, and many other assorted subjects. Yet I am still called stupid, uneducated, brainwashed, deluded, and any other contemptuous adjective. That is evolutionists' favorite argument against creationists.
Most evolutionists are comfortable viewing creationism with contempt. However, if they would study it with a discerning mind, they would find out how rational it is. If someone is convinced that black people are not good writers, why would they read stories by Langston Hughes or Richard Wright? That would contradict their own prejudices.

I have perused "Creationism's Trojan Horse." The book is just one big fallacy. The biggest one is "Appeal to Motive." They don't bother dealing with the premises of ID, they just whine that IDers are just trying to get creationism into the schools.

There is no good scientific evidence for evolution. It is not even a scientific theory or hypothesis. Evolution is much like the dead guy in "Weekend at Bernie's."

kdanley, yahoo answers 67 Comments [2/12/2009 10:00:55 PM]
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Submitted By: senorchipotle

Quote# 141919

Love is never unconditional

The very nature of life is selfish. To be alive you have to consume resources that could help someone else more than you. There's so much bullshit out there spread by people about life. Humans are still primitive barbarians inside, they feel no sympathy for the weak and unfortunate.

No one will love you without a reason. Unconditional love never existed. Mothers love their kids because they gave birth to them. They don't give shit about other kids. When it comes to relationships, everyone has standards. No one will like you if you are unpopular or poor. But if you are a celebrity or a rich person, girls will die to be with you. It's so disgusting to even think about. I hate humans so much that I hate myself for being a part of this accursed species.

Poormiserablebastard, r/misanthropy 14 Comments [1/9/2019 11:44:04 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 77874

Of course you know the miracle of AIDS, we all do. It's the only disease that turns fruits into vegetables.

David Duke, Anti-Defamation League 136 Comments [12/7/2010 6:42:53 AM]
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Submitted By: DevilsChaplain

Quote# 141889

China passes law to ‘make Islam more compatible with socialism’ amid outcry over Muslim abuse

Beijing unveils plans aimed at ‘sinicisation’ of religion within four years, fuelling concerns over crackdown on Uighur minority

China has announced plans to make Islam “more compatible with socialism”, amid growing fears about a crackdown on the country’s Muslims.

Beijing is to introduce measures aimed at “the sinicisation” of the religion within four years, state media reported.

The move is likely to fuel concerns about re-education camps in China’s Xinjiang region, where a million or more Uighurs and other Muslim minorities are believed to be held.

On Monday, Beijing said it would allow United Nations officials into the far western region if they followed proper procedures. UN officials should also “avoid interfering in domestic matters” and adopt an objective and neutral attitude, foreign ministry spokesman Lu Kang said.

The UN’s human rights chief, Michelle Bachelet, said last month her office was seeking access to verify “worrying reports” of centres that Amnesty International has said are being run like “wartime concentration camps”.

China, which denied the existence of the camps until October last year, has claimed it is detaining people guilty of minor crimes and that inmates are “grateful” to have been sent to the “vocational education centres”.

But former internees have alleged torture and said they were forced to learn Chinese Communist Party propaganda, swear loyalty to the party, and denounce Islam. There have also been reports of detainees being made to eat pork and drink alcohol, acts forbidden by their religion.

In a sign the crackdown on Muslims could spread to other regions, Beijing announced on Sunday that Islamic organisations in eight provinces had “agreed to guide Islam to be compatible with socialism and implement measures to sinicise the religion”.

Muslim groups from Beijing, Shanghai, Hunan, Yunnan and Qinghai had discussed a five-year plan for the “sinicisation of Islam” at a seminar in the Chinese capital, according to the state-run Global Times.

The plan was “not about changing the beliefs, habits or ideology of Islam but to make them compatible with socialist society”, Gao Zhanfu, vice-dean of the Beijing-based China Islamic Institute, told the newspaper.

But the World Uyghur Congress, an exile organisation, said Beijing was using sinicisation to erase Islam from China.

It added: “Practising Islam has been forbidden in parts of China, with individuals caught praying, fasting, growing a beard or wearing a hijab … facing the threat of arrest.

“As we have seen in the camps and in China’s treatment of Uighurs, ‘sinification’ is total assimilation and religious persecution.”

In August, a UN human rights panel said it had received credible reports that a million or more Uighurs and other minorities were being held in what resembled a “massive internment camp” in Xinjiang.

In a rare move, a group of 15 western ambassadors in Beijing, spearheaded by Canada, have sought a meeting with the top official in the region, Communist Party boss Chen Quanguo, for an explanation of alleged rights abuses.

Beijing has launched an increasingly active publicity campaign to defend its actions in Xinjiang in the face of an outcry from activists, scholars, foreign governments and UN rights experts.

In the past two weeks, the Chinese government has arranged for diplomats from 12 non-western countries to visit the region, as well as organising a trip for a small group of reporters, including to three re-education camps.

In the centres, Uighur students were seen learning in Mandarin about the dangers of extremist thought. They also sang and danced for reporters, including a rendition in English of “If You’re Happy and You Know it, Clap Your Hands”.

Islamic CPC officials, The Independent 6 Comments [1/7/2019 1:40:39 PM]
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