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Quote# 142518

[OP of "LP faggot fakertarians, vs Libertarians"]



[Poster blasting "fakertarians" for supporting gay rights, civil rights, "moral decay" and feminism and featuring attacks on the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the allegued dysgenic effect of welfare and multiculturalism]

HoppeanDoctor, Reddit - r/National_Ancaps 0 Comments [2/20/2019 12:10:52 PM]
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Quote# 142517

Kelantan: Underage marriage is necessary

A ROUNDTABLE by state agencies in Kelantan has determined that underage marriage is a necessity and in accordance with Islamic laws, reported Utusan Malaysia.

This was part of the seven resolutions tabled during the discussions on Nov 28.

The roundtable rejected two United Nations conventions on children and women, which did not allow for children under 18 to be married.

Stakeholders at the roundtable contended that the two conventions were not suitable for Muslims in Kelantan as there were social ills.

The state, they said, also had strict laws before agreeing to child marriages and there was no need to amend these.

The current Islamic Family Law Enactment of Kelantan sets the mini­mum marriageable age at 18 for boys and 16 for girls.

> The daily also reported that local singer Ella was contented to be the Rock Queen of Malaysia for now.

However, she said she would not turn down a Datukship.

“I won’t say no if there is someone who wants to bestow me a Datukship but for now, what is bestowed upon me by my fans is the best recognition,” said the 52-year-old.

> Metro Harian reported that a rape suspect in Beijing, China, who used his pet snake to scare his victim, died after he was bitten by the reptile.

The suspect was believed to have been playing with the snake in the bathtub when it bit him.

A CCTV recording showed the poisonous snake slithering out of the room. It was later caught by firemen.

Police had been trying to arrest the man ever since a woman reported that she was raped by the suspect who threatened her with the snake.

Kelantan stage agencies, The Star Online 1 Comments [2/20/2019 12:09:55 PM]
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Quote# 142511

("A Youtuber reveals her new girlfriend")

As usual, this is said in love and not hate or judgment. As you are precious to God. So I will not give a thumbs down, as that's sneaky, but I will give the truth. And pray God you will listen.

This video looks like a Bible movie that is titled: In the days of Sodom and Gomorrah. Wouldn't you say? Yes, I thought so! I've tried everything to stop these perverted videos from coming in but they keep stalking. So, once again, I guess God wants to have a talk with you. No, don't confuse this with "hate", as they say, so don't let Satan con you into believing that lie. Because real hate would be people in the comment section applauding this sin. It's sad how deceived an entire generation is. To the point that they have no clue that the lives they are living are an abomination to God. And when the "Boss" calls something an abomination, we had better pay close attention. What they fantasize as "freedom" is nothing but a display of the bondage that they are in. Jesus, forgive us. You beautiful people have to wrap your 3lbs of brains around the meaning of eternity and where you will spend it. Jesus desperately wants you with Him in Heaven and not in that place of eternal torment. And I want you in Heaven, also!

God loved the people of Sodom and Gomorrah but after years of constant warning to them about their sin of homosexuality, sex outside of marriage and other sins, He ended up annihilating every man, woman, and child. Even their animals! So you can clearly see that God has a limit. Yes, as the Bible says He is long-suffering towards us but His patience has a limit. To mock that is only to mock yourself and no one else. I share this in love to all of you. And you all know I'm not sharing in love because I do care about you. And I'm only the messenger. I will attach an account of Marilyn Monroe on the bottom of this comment. And where she is this moment as you read this.

Satan never plays fair, do not be on the receiving end of His deception. Your soul is worth beyond all the kingdoms of the world, and Satan knows it, and he hates you for it. So whatever it takes to drag you with him into his eternal destination, the Lake of Fire, he will gladly do. Whether it's the deception of Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, reincarnation, Homosexuality, Lesbianism, tattoos and piercings, or being transgender, whatever it takes.

The only way to escape the fires of Hell is to repent and accept Jesus as personal Lord and Savior. Please do that now and repeat the prayer at the bottom. Millions screaming in the fires and torture of Hell today would give all their treasures or riches they had on earth for one opportunity to come back and pray the sinner's prayer and accept Christ into their heart. You have an opportunity, they don't.

Pray this prayer:

Dear Lord God, I realize that I am a sinner and that I'm in need of a savior. Please forgive me, I'm sorry for my sins. I believe that Jesus died on the cross in my place paying the penalty for my sins. Right now I confess with my mouth that Jesus is Lord and Savior of my life and I accept You now Lord Jesus. Lord God, I believe in my heart that you raised Jesus from the dead on the third day. According to the Bible, I'm now saved, and Born Again. Show me how to live the rest of my life for you, in Jesus Name, Amen.

Love in Christ




So let's quickly look at Marilyn Monroe. At the apex of her fame in Hollywood, Billy Graham was moved by God to go and speak to her about her life and to tell her of God's love and the Saving power of Jesus Christ. He mentioned that he felt an urgency about her. When he finally sat down to speak with her, she laughed hysterically at him and said, "I don't need your Jesus!" She had no clue that death would end up surprising her only a few days later. And NDE after NDE confirms the fact that she is currently screaming and burning in the fires of Hell. Many have said the demons take sheer delight in mutilating her and throwing spears through her and throwing her into the fire. They said that her screams were unbearable to listen to. And it was very, very real. And none were telling a lie.

Your life is a gift from God to you and what you do with that life is your gift back to Him. And in the backdrop of eternity, you are only here on earth for a few seconds. So please, let's live our lives the way God wants us to live them. Nothing on this earth is worth missing Heaven for. From the few accounts of people who were taken to Heaven (via NDEs), it is a place that you do not want to miss! The streets are pure Gold. And the Gold is so pure that it's transparent! People said they saw their grandparents while they were there and they were young again (20's/30's) and beautiful! People even saw pets there that they had as children that had died decades prior! So you can clearly see that what's important to you is important to God. Please, accept Christ today and make Heaven your home!?

Tom Knight, Youtube 13 Comments [2/20/2019 5:01:03 AM]
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Quote# 142502


Tom Knight: Hi dream queen. Thanks for not attacking like most do in their first few sentences, my friend. So many church denominations are so far away from Christ and the Truth of God's Word that it's difficult to find a church that actually preaches about sin and the realities of Heaven and Hell. Most are about competing with the church across the street and having huge memberships and making lots of money. You can see it in the extravagant lifestyle of some of the pastors of these churches. But I came up Catholic and would say I"m closer to possibly Baptist now. But whoever has a passion for the lost (those without Christ) and hurting that's who I agree with. These are all God's precious kids, including this lovely girl and her lovely mother (mum, as they say over there). I care immensely for them and that's why I don't sugar coat the truth. As tomorrow is not a guarantee for anybody. And if you end up in this place, you will never get out. You might not have had the opportunity of looking in the eyes of people who have had NDE's, I have. And what they described of Hell was not a bad dream or a hallucination. It forever changed their lives. And most will not talk about it. I'm one voice that can stand alone and strom the Gates of Hell because you are all worth having the right to know the truth. What people do with that eternal truth is their decision. All I know is that Jesus weeps because He doesn't want any of you to end up in that very real place of eternal suffering. But He will never come against your gift of a free will. So you have ot accept Him as an act of your will. I will attach a prayer here.
Pray this prayer:
Dear Lord God, I realize that I am a sinner and that I'm in need of a savior. Please forgive me, I'm sorry for my sins. I believe that Jesus died on the cross in my place paying the penalty for my sins. Right now I confess with my mouth that Jesus is Lord and Savior of my life and I accept You now Lord Jesus. Lord God, I believe in my heart that you raised Jesus from the dead. According to the Bible, I'm now saved, and Born Again. Show me how to live the rest of my life for you, in Jesus Name, Amen.

Mieke deM: Hi there! Let me start of by saying I'm born and raised Christian and I am a child of God. Then, how sad that you choose the word "fascinating" to describe the supposed work of Satan and then proceed to claim you care. Further more, how dare you speak for God by saying it's "too late for them" when His message is that it's NEVER too late to choose to follow Him. Lastly, God wants nothing more than for His children to be happy and thriving, who are you to say that they are living their lives wrong? Who are you to say they aren't children of God. Please, if you choose to represent Christians, then don't give us such an awful name as you just have. These people are brave in the face of adversity, they teach people to love themselves and live life fully. THAT is closer to teaching us the ways of the Lord than condemning people you don't even know to hell. Than judging. God teaches us not to judge, only He can judge, and yet here you are thinking you can do his job for Him. He teaches us to love, so spread the love He shows us, don't spread hate and use Christianity as an excuse to do it... I don't mean to be rude at all sir, but spreading love and the true word of the Lord is important, but shoving it down people's throats and claiming they're going to hell is not the right way....?

Tom Knight, Youtube 4 Comments [2/20/2019 4:59:37 AM]
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Submitted By: Christopher

Quote# 142497

What predates the Book of Genesis?

aCultureWarrior, Christian News Network 12 Comments [2/20/2019 4:58:57 AM]
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Quote# 142508

Today’s Laugh 2-19-19



Transcript:

Tree#1: If there’s a Green New Deal, why are we dead?
Tree #2: They did away with the CO2 we breathe.
Tree #3: And fossil fuels. That leaves us.
Tree #2: Careful, Clyde. Humans are the only food left.

Mick Williams, Disqus - Faith & Religion 25 Comments [2/19/2019 2:41:42 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 142506

[OP of "me after reddit bans r/Hoppeanism"]



[Contrast of "LOLbertarians" with "civil 'rights'", "democracy" and "libertarian party" with "Hoppeanism" with "private death squads", "discrimination" and "helicopter rides"]

PracticalSpecialist, Reddit - r/National_Ancaps 12 Comments [2/19/2019 2:40:07 PM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 142499

{Vman's note: This is from 2013, but I approved it for its sheer, wonderful nuttery}

Please don't have a go if you take offence to the truth. Go read The Secret History of the world by Jonathon Black, then come back and tell me if you still believe history and authority, because i believe in neither.
And you can really go take a running jump if you don't know how to meditate, because without meditation, the odds of the complainant being wise too are vastly reduced. I am a channel of the higher realms who takes meticulous care(unlike many other channels) before gleaning any information whatsoever. I get guided to truth, books, and people, and people get guided to me; the law of attraction, such a wonderful thing.

thanks for reading...

FOOLPROOF INSTRUCTIONS FOR ASTRAL TRAVEL.

required.
Crystals, bigger the better.
apopholite crystal
a few small zebrastones
lots of spring water
earplugs
blanket

fast for as long as possible(3 days optimum)., drinking only spring water at this time. 2 hours before lift off (better for some reason after dark), start drinking water. lots of water. 1 pint every 20 mins. During this time, if you have lots of crystals available lay them out in two lines either side of you (so you do not touch them with your body) and put some zebrastones in the arrangement too.

When 2 hours up earth yourself as best you can, call on your guardian angel to appear to you and guide you, lay down, loosen your clothing, put the apopholite on your heart chakra, cover yourself over with blanket ensuring you cannot feel it.(being comfortable is a key) do not use a pillow, your head needs to be flat'ish. nothing wrong with something under your head just not elevated) earplugs will ensure your not disturbed. wait a little if you have to to go to the toilet to maximise your flight time.

start concious breathing and mantra to yourself 'I want to leave your body' and enjoy the ride.

when you return, your ears will be ringing like you have been up in a plane

Do not try astral travel after illness or under the influence of drink or drugs. do not travel more than twice weekly.

enjoy

Will leave you with the words of the Buddha before my stuff. best piece of advice anyone could give anyone if you ask me.
'To he who can master his own mind, wisdom will naturally come to him'

GET OFF ALL STATE BENEFITS IN 2 YRS IN WESTERN WORLD ELSE RFID CHIP- DREAM DATED JANUARY 2013

find me a coffee shop that uses spring water and mexican coffee and i will drink there. (The reason i said this was there is lead in the petrol of every coffee producing country except Mexico, and flouride was hitlers most feared chemical weopon)

Dont do dairy heres proof. 2 teas , both with milk, brew 4 same time, but put milk in after brewing 4 1. milk cloggs bag n we are 85% water. (The proof everyone needs that its no good for you and me)

Noone can win any battle against dark, got to manage it usin anything you can. magic rites sigls crystals. (the non jewish kabbalah at its finest: Ultimate truth)

Power of the brains amazin, proven easily. car alarm remote, go well out of range, stick under chin. brain amplifies signal proof brain. (Check also my ode scientific method is wrong below)

Beyer made all the gas for Hitlers gas chambers, and pope JP 2 was the rep...SERIOUSLY. THE CURRENT POPE HITLER YOUTH TOO...CAN YOU SEE THE PATTERN NOW???

trust me there is NOWHERE TO HIDE; KARMIC CHECKS.AND BALANCES EVERYWHERE.(EVERYONES CARDS PERMANENTLY MARKED)

etheric tune ups. just pm me name, dob and town, your guardian angel n the light will do the rest(open offer to all, contribution based)

i will never forget palestine; why? master jesus was from there, is why the torah forbids an israeli state. (and the state of israel worship JC like the god he is not. see my ode god is a 3 letter word)

adam(f adam and eve fame) lived till 670 years of age, and they call it progress???

tonight before bed, glass of water, put your thoughts into the water what u want to dream about, drink the water n dream away

stonehenge was built by magicians with levitation, merlins family, they were showing off, its no sacred site its an ego trip. guided tours of stonehenge and Avebury available (contribution based)

if needed a reason not to shop at Tesco its the horsemeat, another is Master Jesus was from palestine, and tesco fund settlements(in gaza), the blockade will be busted in 2014 i assure
A part of you that believes that abundance can only come from cash, this limits all the other ways can come but u dont see.(bashar on abundance my inspiration for this)
levitation is against all the parameters of modern science on purpose, to disempower, levitation is mind/no-mind/will in one (this belief system don't want us empowered do they????)
secret history of he world-jonathan black, dictionary of angels- Gustav Davidson. other books recommended below, all from the higher realms


Daz the Druid, dazthedruid.blogspot.com. 11 Comments [2/19/2019 3:23:31 AM]
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Quote# 142496

Even now, the true God holds the unrepentant by the nape of the neck to do them unspeakable injury if they will not bow to his great love and mercy, and take up his terms of peace and eternal joy offered them in the blood of his own Son.

Greg Morse, Desiring God 14 Comments [2/19/2019 3:19:22 AM]
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Quote# 142495

On the most somber of occasions, he sought to comfort the mourning. The cold casket adorned a chilled body as the eyes of family and friends, swollen from grief, gazed up at the speaker. He wanted to bring whatever consolation he could. And so, he did what many well-meaning pastors have done in his situation: he abandoned the truth.

Many can sympathize with the impulse to do so. The woman before him lived as worldly as they come, blaspheming God and his word whenever the opportunity presented itself. With all her friends and family gathered, it hardly felt like the appropriate time to tell them what God actually said. And so, the pastor proclaimed that — deep down — she was a good person and was with the Lord in heaven.

It was at that moment, when all sat pleased at the pastor’s words, that a young woman spoke up:

It’s a lie! Do not believe him! We will not all be in a better place! That hope is false! Only those who believe in Christ, the Son of God, the one who died and was raised, will be saved! Only those who repent and believe and follow him until the end will be in a better place. Wrath awaits all who die in sin! Please believe! He stands ready to forgive you!


People stared, aghast. A funeral usher approached to invite her to leave. One person furiously told her to shut the hell up — and so she was trying. Hell’s mouth gaped open. Souls were at stake. God’s truth was being butchered. She tried, alone, to warn her loved ones off the path to perdition.

My wife was at that funeral home a decade ago. She witnessed the minister’s sentimental words, saw the usher approach, and heard the crude language addressed to her. She was the young woman who, with trembling voice, offered all who would listen grace at the gates of hell.

Greg Morse, Desiring God 14 Comments [2/19/2019 3:18:21 AM]
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Quote# 142494

This is not surprising. IF they even go to church, the churches they go to don't even teach the Bible. They teach "the Gospel according to Communist PC". In short, you are not to offend the sinners and perverts but you are to show the sickening syrupy "Christian LOOOOOOOOVE". You aren't showing that love if you tell them they are hell-bound sinners. After all, they are "all God's children" and God loves them just the way they are. He made them that way and He won't condemn them. BAAAAAAARRRRRRRFFFFFF!

With that kind of brainwashing constantly being bombarded into their weak, dumbed down minds, it's no wonder they hate the thought of evangelizing - telling the sinner he's lost and going to hell. That's the most Christian loving thing to do IF you follow it up with telling them how to avoid it by getting saved. They need to be warned about hell all the moreso since time is short and they are all too soon going to face God and be sent to hell forever if they aren't told the true unvarnished Gospel and not this "Gospel of LOOOOOOOVE" crap that passes for the Gospel.

There are many sources of free Gospel tracts and presentation that you can get online and download and print out to distribute. One such site is www.hopetracts.org. OR if nothing else, you can download this presentation and e-mail it to people.

Just Mat, Now The End Begins 13 Comments [2/19/2019 3:16:47 AM]
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Submitted By: Bob J

Quote# 142492

It's truly fascinating how far down into the sewer and gutter of depravity, indecency, and immorality that Satan has dragged the women of this nation (and obviously other nations also) In a nation that God has blessed beyond measure and this seems to be the way we thank Him. How sad. Parents no longer have a clue about how to bring their children up with the Fear of God. No maturity whatsoever. It's like babies having babies! Everything goes! It is a sick world now. It proves emphatically that Satan really is the father of lies and the original author of Confusion. God holds these parents accountable and responsible for how they raise their children that He gave them. Let's wake up mom's (or mum's) from your slumber and take some responsibility in the rearing of your children.

Jesus Christ loves you and He died on an old rugged cross for your sins. Hell is real my lovie-dovies! It is not a joke or a myth. It is a place where the fire is never quenched, the torment never ends, and the worm dies not. Tens of thousands find that out the hard way every single day that are dropping into Hell. Satan deceived them into fantasizing that they could live their lives any way they "dang-well-pleased", but, they quickly found out after the last breath departed from their body that God didn't feel the same way. And God takes no pleasure in people ending up in Hell. Only Jesus can save from the fires of Hell. It's sad that an Ex Playboy Military Pilot/ Airline Pilot has to lecture "girls" on how to actually grow up and become ladies! Here's a quick hint for you both. If you one day wake up and discover you are BI, as you say, your next step is to fall on your face before a Righteous God and ask Him to forgive you and to set you free from a Satanically inspired lifestyle! Any questions? I didn't think so!

Now I will leave you with a true story of a Hell experience that someone had that died and had an NDE. This person had never repented of their sins and accepted Christ as Lord and Savior, so after their last breath, they were dragged by demons to the fires of Hell. While in Hell they witnessed a mother and her two children that had been killed in a car accident weeks before. The mother was standing in the center and her two children on either side. All were being mutilated and were on fire with their skin flaking off. The two children were screaming in the mother's ears these words, "Why didn't you ever tell us about Jesus! Why didn't you ever take us to church! Why did you do this to us! We are here because of you!"

Apparently, the scene was extremely horrific to watch. It took this person years to even be able to talk about what they saw in Hell. To mock this is only to mock yourself. Let's wise up slumbering parents out there. You are accountable to God for eternity for your children.

That family's opportunity at Salvation is passed. It is a place that has no door out. That mother's selfishness and narcissism dragged her children to Hell with her. So they don't have an opportunity, you do. Please don't play games with your eternity.

Pray this prayer:

Dear Lord God, I realize that I am a sinner and that I'm in need of a savior. Please forgive me, I'm sorry for my sins. I believe that Jesus died on the cross in my place paying the penalty for my sins. Right now I confess with my mouth that Jesus is Lord and Savior of my life and I accept You now Lord Jesus. Lord God, I believe in my heart that you raised Jesus from the dead. According to the Bible, I'm now saved, and Born Again. Show me how to live the rest of my life for you, in Jesus Name, Amen.

Love in Christ?

Tom Knight, YouTube 10 Comments [2/19/2019 3:14:39 AM]
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Submitted By: kumala

Quote# 142490

Black Nonbelievers: “In my house being a different faith or even ambivalent was alright, but not having any beliefs, that was a problem, and bothered my mother the most. When I told her I was an atheist...she saw this as the highest form of arrogance.”

Martin Yirrell: Indeed, it is arrogance, to claim you know all things, when you know that God exists.

TEACH smack talk (it's an art): Non believers don't know good exists because ..... His existence hasn't ever been scientifically substantiated. You don't get to tell people what they know or don't know.

Martin Yirrell: Science isn't the only way to truth, indeed it quite often isn't even a way. But you know God exists.

Martin Yirrell, Twitter 13 Comments [2/19/2019 3:13:46 AM]
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Quote# 142486

Ginny Bain Allen: Rosaria Butterfield has much Biblical wisdom on this significant topic. Her books I highly recommend.

mirele: Nope. Rosaria Butterfield should be avoided because she hides. She puts out essays and books, but she can't be publicly challenged on her anti-LGBTQ beliefs because she won't respond to comment. But she continues to be pushed forward as a role model for lesbians and others because she was once a liberal college professor and a lesbian. Hiding behind a website with no way to contact her and challenge her on her assumptions and beliefs is unhelpful at best.

Ginny Bain Allen: Following is an excellent excerpt from her book Openness Unhindered: Due to our fallen nature, we expect that we will be repenting of sin until glory. But repentance is not simply proof of failure. It is, more importantly, a sign of God’s hand upon us. It is a conversion proof, as only a saved person can repent of sin. Because of God’s righteousness, we honor His standards for holiness.

Ginny Bain Allen, Laura Jean Truman 5 Comments [2/19/2019 3:10:24 AM]
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Quote# 142485


Sandi in EL: consensual, or rape - it was still homosexual sex.
The first offer was sex - and Lot offered his daughters to satiate the men. The second offer was force, even being blinded by the angels, the homosexual lust pushed the men on for homosexual sex.
They could have had women, they wanted men - and their lust caused them to be blinded.
God did not allow one out of S&G but Lot and his family. Not one homosexual was considered righteous enough to be brought out of S&G.
It was homosexuality
Learn your Bible, Gug
btw - where is your scripture where the Lord endorses the sin of homosexuality? Thanks

Guglielmo Marinaro : Yes, and the incident of attempted homosexual rape in Sodom (Genesis 19) does not make all homosexual sex wrong, just as the incident of consummated heterosexual rape in Gibeah (Judges 19) does not make all heterosexual sex wrong.
There was no offer of sex, as the text itself plainly shows. That is just your invention, which you are trying dishonestly to add to the narrative. The men of Sodom demanded that Lot bring out his guests to be gang-raped. Lot rightly refused, but then despicably offered them his daughters to rape instead. Yes, they turned down the women, because it was the visitors that they wished to abuse and humiliate, and they resented Lot, an immigrant, passing judgment on them. They then told Lot that they would treat him even worse, thus confirming that rape had been their intention from the start.
The concept of a city in which every single man was homosexual is beyond any sane, intelligent person’s threshold of credulity.
Learn your Bible, Sandi. You can invent things to your heart’s content, but please stop deceitfully claiming that they’re in the Bible. Thanks.

Sandi in EL: Yes it does make all homosexual sex wrong and Christ confirmed that with Leviticus.
There was an offer of sex and Lot offered his daughters to protect the me.
N, we've been here before, "to know" is the term used with Adam and Eve and Eve was not raped.
You don't offer sex to those you wish to abuse and humiliate.
Lot passed judgment because of their evil - homosexuality
You don't want to believe Christ, that's fine. Don't call yourself a follower of Christ then.
You are the one denying Biblical truths, Gug . Learn your Bible
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Guglielmo Marinaro: No, it does not make all homosexual sex wrong any more than the story of the heterosexual gang rape at Gibeah makes all heterosexual sex wrong. The unknown authors of Leviticus make no mention whatever of Sodom in their clumsily worded condemnation of sex between men.
No, you don’t offer sex to those whom you wish to abuse and humiliate, and the men of Sodom didn’t offer sex to the visiting angels. That is purely an invention of yours, as the text conclusively shows. They just demanded that Lot bring out his guests to be gang-raped.
Yes, we have been here before, and you are repeating the same faulty argument as before. The Hebrew verb, yada‘, “to know” when used as a sexual euphemism, refers to sexual congress. It does not imply that the sex is consensual; it may or may not be. The context in which it is used in the Sodom story makes it plain that it refers there to attempted rape, and the very same verb is used of the rape of the Levite’s concubine at Gibeah (Judges 19:25). But you know this perfectly well already, because I have previously pointed it out to you at least twice. By continuing to repeat that crooked argument you are proving your deliberate dishonesty.
Sandi, since you have made plain your determination to keep reiterating – in the teeth of the clear evidence of the text itself – your untruthful claim that your fabrication is part of the Sodom narrative, I won’t waste time on any further discussions with you. There is little point in debating with someone as intellectually dishonest as you are.

Sandi in EL: cut the editorial, and show me scripture when Christ defends the sin

....

Sandi in EL: still no scripture Gug? You cannot show where Christ endorses homosexuality?
I've shown you where you are wrong on this before. Look back (edit)



Sandi In El, Premier 8 Comments [2/19/2019 3:09:11 AM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 142484

Hindu nationalists claim that ancient Indians had airplanes, stem cell technology, and the internet
By Sanjay KumarFeb. 13, 2019 , 10:55 AM

New Delhi—The most widely discussed talk at the Indian Science Congress, a government-funded annual jamboree held in Jalandhar in January, wasn't about space exploration or information technology, areas in which India has made rapid progress. Instead, the talk celebrated a story in the Hindu epic Mahabharata about a woman who gave birth to 100 children, citing it as evidence that India's ancient Hindu civilization had developed advanced reproductive technologies. Just as surprising as the claim was the distinguished pedigree of the scientist who made it: chemist G. Nageshwar Rao, vice-chancellor of Andhra University in Visakhapatnam. "Stem cell research was done in this country thousands of years ago," Rao said.

His talk was widely met with ridicule. But Rao is hardly the only Indian scientist to make such claims. In recent years, "experts" have said ancient Indians had spacecraft, the internet, and nuclear weapons—long before Western science came on the scene.

Such claims and other forms of pseudoscience rooted in Hindu nationalism have been on the rise since Prime Minister Narendra Modi came to power in 2014. They're not just an embarrassment, some researchers say, but a threat to science and education that stifles critical thinking and could hamper India's development. "Modi has initiated what may be called ‘Project Assault on Scientific Rationality,’" says Gauhar Raza, former chief scientist at the Council of Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) here, a conglomerate of almost 40 national labs. "A religio-mythical culture is being propagated in the country's scientific institutions aggressively."

Some blame the rapid rise at least in part on Vijnana Bharati (VIBHA), the science wing of Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh (RSS), a massive conservative movement that aims to turn India into a Hindu nation and is the ideological parent of Modi's Bharatiya Janata Party. VIBHA aims to educate the masses about science and technology and harness research to stimulate India's development, but it also promotes "Swadeshi" (indigenous) science and tries to connect modern science to traditional knowledge and Hindu spirituality.

VIBHA receives generous government funding and is active in 23 of India's 29 states, organizing huge science fairs and other events; it has 20,000 so-called "team members" to spread its ideas and 100,000 volunteers—including many in the highest echelons of Indian science.

VIBHA's advisory board includes Vijay Kumar Saraswat, former head of Indian defense research and now chancellor of Jawaharlal Nehru University here. The former chairs of India's Space Commission and its Atomic Energy Commission are VIBHA "patrons." Structural biologist Shekhar Mande, director-general of CSIR, is VIBHA's vice president.

Saraswat—who says he firmly believes in the power of gemstones to influence wellbeing and destiny—is proud of the achievements of ancient Hindu science: "We should rediscover Indian systems which existed thousands of years back," he says. Mande shares that pride. "We are a race which is not inferior to any other race in the world," he says. "Great things have happened in this part of the world." Mande insists that VIBHA is not antiscientific, however: "We want to tell people you have to be rational in your life and not believe in irrational myths." He does not see a rise of pseudoscience in the past 4 years—"We have always had that"—and says part of the problem is that the press is now paying more attention to the occasional bizarre claim. "If journalists don't report it, actually that would be perfect," he says.

But others say there is little doubt that pseudoscience is on the rise—even at the highest levels of government. Modi, who was an RSS pracharak, or propagandist, for 12 years, claimed in 2014 that the transplantation of the elephant head of the god Ganesha to a human—a tale told in ancient epics—was a great achievement of Indian surgery millennia ago, and has made claims about stem cells similar to Rao's. At last year's Indian Science Congress, science minister Harsh Vardhan, a medical doctor and RSS member, said, incorrectly, that physicist Stephen Hawking had stated that the Vedas include theories superior to Albert Einstein's equation E=mc2. "It's one thing for a crackpot to say something like that, but it's a very bad example for people in authority to do so. It is deplorable," Venki Ramakrishnan, the Indian-born president of the Royal Society in London and a 2009 Nobel laureate in chemistry, tells Science. (Vardhan has declined to explain his statement so far and did not respond to an interview request from Science.)

Critics say pseudoscience is creeping into science funding and education. In 2017, Vardhan decided to fund research at the prestigious Indian Institute of Technology here to validate claims that panchagavya, a concoction that includes cow urine and dung, is a remedy for a wide array of ailments—a notion many scientists dismiss. And in January 2018, higher education minister Satya Pal Singh dismissed Charles Darwin's evolution theory and threatened to remove it from school and college curricula. "Nobody, including our ancestors, in written or oral [texts], has said that they ever saw an ape turning into a human being," Singh said.

Those remarks triggered a storm of protest; in a rare display of unity, India's three premier science academies said removing evolution from school curricula, or diluting it with "non-scientific explanations or myths," would be "a retrograde step." In other instances, too, scientists are pushing back against the growing tide of pseudoscience. But doing so can be dangerous. In the past 5 years, four prominent fighters against superstition and pseudoscientific ideas and practices have been murdered, including Narendra Dabholkar, a physician, and M. M. Kalburgi, former vice-chancellor of Kannada University in Hampi. Ongoing police investigations have linked their killers to Hindu fundamentalist organizations.

Some Indian scientists may be susceptible to nonscientific beliefs because they view science as a 9-to-5 job, says Ashok Sahni, a renowned paleontologist and emeritus professor at Panjab University in Chandigarh. "Their religious beliefs don't dovetail with science," he says, and outside working hours those beliefs may hold sway. A tradition of deference to teachers and older persons may also play a role, he adds. "Freedom to question authority, to question writings, that's [an] intrinsic part of science," Ramakrishnan adds. Rather than focusing on the past, India should focus on its scientific future, he says—and drastically hike its research funding.

The grip of Hindu nationalism on Indian society is about to be tested. Two dozen opposition parties have joined forces against Modi for elections that will be held before the end of May. A loss by Modi would bring "some change," says Prabir Purkayastha, vice president of the All India People's Science Network in Madurai, a liberal science advocacy movement with some 400,000 members across the country that opposes VIBHA's ideology. But the tide of pseudoscience may not retreat quickly, he says. "I don't think this battle is going to die down soon, because institutions have been weakened and infected."

Hindu Nationalists, Science Magazine 7 Comments [2/19/2019 2:52:10 AM]
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Quote# 142483

Let me be as blunt and direct as I can be. Western civilization is in a war. We should frankly test every person here who is of a Muslim background, and if they believe in sharia, they should be deported. Sharia is incompatible with Western civilization. Modern Muslims who have given up Sharia—glad to have them as citizens. Perfectly happy to have them next door.

Newt Gingrich, The Atlantic 20 Comments [2/18/2019 11:20:20 AM]
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Submitted By: Doubting Thomas

Quote# 142481

“Rationality” as explained on the internetz. One has to understand the opportunity cost of such a view of both rationality and skepticism. No one is being skeptical of skepticism. No one is doubting their doubt. Thats foundational to the theory—if you take it seriously.
Postmodern type deconstruction that doesn’t realize its eaten itself. That is to say its self-contradictory.
The inability to see the limits of skepticism. Skeptics throughout the ages have been faulted for being academic and ivory tower. For instance, Harris’ suggesting life is deterministic, but living like free will (and presumably human dignity, justice, and rights) are real things. Thats a fundamental cognitive dissonance of the highest order.

The assumption that things one can’t see aren’t true, even though one can see and in fact daily rely on their existence is absurd.

The same logic applied to Gravity, Friction, or other forces would be thrown out and this assertion should be thrown out too.

Not to mention, materialism and physicalism fail to understand the human personality fully. Life is more than skin and bones. Life is more than biology, chemistry, and physics. Otherwise, libraries and bookstores would be half their size.

Anyone who thinks Descartes is the kind of skeptic that skepticism that exists on the internet. Descartes deconstructed and re-constructed. There isn’t much of an element of understanding the necessity of re-constructing so we can live our daily lives and survive. Descartes used skepticism precisely to push knowledge and civilization forward—I think therefore I am—helped the cause of pointing to identity rather than navel gazing and ivory tower. Descartes used skepticism to bring extreme forms of skepticism to bear. That is to say Descartes form of skepticism is exactly the opposite in orientation as internet skepticism or modern day skepticism.

If rationality was as reductive as internet skeptics proclaim, we would all be Ayn Rand. The thing is Aristotle viewed logic and rationality through a different lens. And it’s precisely this lens that is the foundation of the Western legal tradition. Reductive forms of logic lost. It not rationality, but reductive rationality, and thats a whole different ball of wax my friend.

The evidence for God is everywhere…you just have to pay attention.

Nathan Ketsdever, Passionate about Critical Thinking & Philosophy, Quora 9 Comments [2/18/2019 11:20:01 AM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 142480

(Note:Regarding an Amber Alert that went out in the middle of the night that ended with a girl being murderer by her father. At the initial alert people have been calling the emergancy services to complain about being woken up)

Laura Simpson: Idgaf who you are, if you call me after 10 I’ll kick your ass if you wake me or my kids up. I like my sleep. Fucking amber alert last night was bullshit! My phone was on silent and it went blasting to full volume at 11:30 when it woke me the fuck up! #notfuckingsorry

Laura Simpson, Twitter 18 Comments [2/18/2019 11:19:54 AM]
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Submitted By: Christopher

Quote# 142479

I actually agree with the idea that welfare and charity are bad. But then again, I think that welfare and charity are part of the reason for human civilization's decline into decadence (along with most religion, for that matter), and in any case this assertion makes Hovind a bit of a hypocrite given the nature of his stated faith.

Karlsbad, FSTDT comments 16 Comments [2/18/2019 11:19:12 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 142474

[Note: these are all different posts Andy was making within hours of each other; he links to articles in each]

Right after Donald Trump’s election, the SPLC really stoked panic. A pro-gay Episcopal church in Indiana was vandalized w/“Heil Trump,” a swastika, & an anti-gay slur. Turns out it was the gay organ player who did it. He was only charged w/a misdemeanor.

Days after the Pittsburgh massacre, Trump supporters were blamed for Nazi vandalism at a Brooklyn synagogue & fires in a Jewish community. Turns out the perpetrator was a gay black man who had worked with city council on an initiative to fight hate crimes.

One week before the presidential election, a black church in Mississippi was burned in an arson attack. “Vote Trump” was written on the building. After much panic, an investigation revealed that the man responsible was a church member. Andrew McClinton: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/12/22/miss-black-church-fire-another-highly-publicized-suspected-hate-crime-debunked-police-say/ …

In Nov 2016 a Muslim student at the University of Louisiana said two white racist Trump supporters brutally assaulted her, ripped off her hijab, & robbed her. The story went viral. It was a lie. Media never identified her by name after hoax was revealed.

I remember that Trump & his supporters were blamed for a spate of anti-Semitic, KKK & Nazi graffiti on the campus of Nassau Community College in Long Island in late 2016. The student responsible was Jasskirat Saini: https://abc7ny.com/news/man-charged-after-swastikas-found-at-long-island-college/1666228/ …

In Dec 2016 a Muslim woman said she was attacked by 3 white Trump supporters in NYC on the subway. She said they tried to rip off her hijab. Yasmin Seweid lied. CAIR said Muslims are under tremendous “stress & pressure” resulting in incidents like this.

In Sep. 2018 a black woman in Long Island said Trump supporters confronted her & told her “she didn’t belong here.” Her car tire was slashed the next day & a hateful note was left behind saying “go home.” Adwoa Lewis made up the whole story. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Woman-Who-Found-Hateful-Note-on-Car-After-Teens-Yelled-Trump-2016-Made-Up-Story-Police-493375511.html …

In Nov 2018 students at Goucher College demanded social justice training & safe spaces after racist, Nazi, & KKK graffiti was found on campus. Someone even wrote the names of black students. Trump was blamed. Fynn Arthur, a black student, was responsible.

Andy Ngo, Twitter 12 Comments [2/18/2019 2:42:09 AM]
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Quote# 142465

[Responding to someone who claimed that racists are ignorant]

Your claim is that racists are ignorant people. They do not realize that all people are really the same, but you are not a racist because you realize that all people are the same. It seems that your position on racism is important to you, since you were so disgusted with the racists. But it turns out that your position cannot withstand the slightest scrutiny, and you really have no justification for it. You assume a position of knowledge and enlightenment, but you are just as ignorant as the racists.

You are careless. You are unintelligent. You are ignorant. You present yourself as someone who possesses knowledge, but you have not really thought through the things that you believe, even those things that are important to you. Thus you are also dishonest and hypocritical. You are usually able to get away with it because other people are also like you, and they agree with you. But now that I have exposed you, where are you going to run?

You are a non-Christian. What is your basis for denying God and Jesus Christ? You say that Christians are irrational, but have you thought through your own position? Or is it just as careless, foolish, and dishonest as your reason for affirming racial equality? You see, you think that you are intellectually competent, informed, and honest. But you are none of these things. You are stupid, ignorant, and dishonest. And your rejection of the Christian faith is also stupid, ignorant, and dishonest.

The Bible tells me that you know about the Christian God, and if we continue this conversation, I will show you more and more that this is the case. But you are too stupid and wicked to admit it. You are dishonest, so you try to suppress what you know. But God’s reality and precepts are so evident that you cannot consistently deny him. Perhaps your attitude toward racism is a distorted effect of this knowledge that is built into your very being.

You think I am harsh in speaking to you like this. But I am the best friend that you could have. Think about it: I can take apart everything that you believe in a matter of seconds, and this means that intellectually and spiritually, you are in a lot of trouble. Your whole life is a lie. And if you cannot even fool me, do you think that you can fool God? The Bible says that his wrath is poured out against people who suppress their knowledge about him – people like you. You are in a lot of danger right now. Your only hope is to abandon your pride, and admit your foolishness and wickedness, and call out to Jesus Christ — he is the only one who can save you. Let us discuss this further, for if God has mercy on you, this is what you will do.

Vincent Cheung, vincentcheung.com 14 Comments [2/18/2019 2:41:08 AM]
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Quote# 142472

Very short question and a very long trip for answer. You know that you are born in the Christ Michael kingdom. A creator son (there are 700,000 of them). First after death, one part of you, your thought Ajuster this divine part that you have received at about 5.5 years old at your first moral act will leave you and joints HIs Father God for a while, Your other part, your immortal soul that has developed with the help of your thought adjuster will be transported to the system universe created by your Christ Michael where you are going to be reassembled with you Thought adjuster, (resurrected) instructed, and trained. On there you will believe that you are already on Paradise because you will find that there are 10 categories of life compared to two on earth (vegetable and animal) moreover you will find that the periodic table of elements is now 200 instead of 100 on earth. Everything is beauty. nicer and nicer. You live on architectural spheres created by our Christ, After instructions on 8 of those spheres you are going to be transported to the capital of this local system (Jerusem), After a long stay there you are going to be transported to one of the 100 constellations created by Michel where you are going to be schooled and trained on 771 spheres, Being graduated from the constellation you are going to be transported to the capital of the kingdom of Christ where you are going to be trained and instructed on additional 491 spheres, Remark here that each time you were transported on a new sphere you were given a new body to better fit your new intellect. On or around this capital there are now 500 elements this imply much more beauty, Before leaving the kingdom of Christ you are going to graduate as first stage spirit, 6 more to conquer. Then you will be transported to one of the minor sector of the milky way, then on one of the 10 major sector of the Milky Way to find more instructions and training then comes the capital of the Milky Way with 800 elements and 491 spheres where to learn and be trained.

Then come the very long transport towards 1 billion spheres circling around paradise in seven circuits, each of them with 1000 elements, imagine the beauty. unfortunately you will have to learn and be trained on each of them. You will finally reach the last one as a 6 stage spirit before being transported for the last time to paradise. You do not perceive time during those transports .When you awake in Paradise you will stay awake up for eternity.

Why all this training? on earth you learn to be either a doctor an engineer or an accountant

now you have learned to be a son of God, After your long stay on Paradise. You will be graduated as a 7th stage spirit before departing for somewhere in the universe to instruct and train the new inhabitants, As you see God need you he need us to grow up His universe.

We were told go and multiply yourself exactly for this reason.

Charles A. Veilleux, B.A., B.Sc. B.Sc.A Materials Science and Engineering, Université Laval, Québec (1961), Quora 12 Comments [2/17/2019 12:44:50 PM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 142471

I have some bad news for you all, I have reproduced. I have been happily married for 19 years to a former Levi's model from Mexico. I have never been divorced. We have two children, a girl age 11 and a boy age 14. Since I was financially successful in business, I no longer need to work for a living and now have the time to homeschool my kids. I currently divide my time between my current business, which I run from home, and homeschooling. I teach my kids to think for themselves and not accept any beliefs without skepticism.

I have been to Europe. I spent 6 months traveling around the world with my wife, about half of which was in Europe. My parents are from Hungary and they also have a European perspective. I have a good understanding of European history and culture, and the mistaken assumption of Horsefeathers is that prostitution is banned in America because of the puritanical and Victorian values that America got from England. But New Zealand has these same influences and has some of the world's most liberal prostitution laws.

I am not ugly and have never been out of shape. I was rejected by American women because I am a decent person. American women, being the scum of the earth, naturally reject decent men.

One of my frustrations with the internet is that people hide behind pseudonyms and are all talk and no action. My user name, fschmidt, is short for my real name, Franklin Schmidt. I live in El Paso, Texas. On the love-shy forum, I encourage men to stop complaining and to take action to improve their situation. Those of you here who would like to beat the shit out of me should come to El Paso and give it a shot. I would be more than happy to arrange a meeting in El Paso with anyone here. I can be reached at fschmidt@gmail.com .

Fschmidt, FSTDT 16 Comments [2/17/2019 12:43:21 PM]
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Quote# 142468

This Glorified One is coming after you. Do not expect a humble peasant with a sheep under his arm, who would suffer your insults and abuse. But he is GOD, full of terrifying glory and power. He has marked you even now, and he will come after you. At a time of his choosing, he will take your life, and he will throw you into a lake of fire, where he will torture you forever and ever. You will curse him, and he will laugh at you. You will beg him to annihilate you, but he will ignore your pleas. He will sustain your existence so that you will suffer all the extreme agony that he has in store for you, and that he will inflict upon you in all its intensity through eternity.

This is the fate of everyone who does not worship Jesus Christ. You exclaim, “This is cruel and unusual punishment!” But you have been cruel to his people, and now he gives you your just reward. And it is hardly unusual, as you will have millions of companions in hell, too many for you to count. But take no comfort in this, as none of them will have even a second of rest from their suffering to help alleviate yours.

Vincent Cheung, vincentcheung.com 18 Comments [2/17/2019 12:32:19 PM]
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