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On gay marriage leading to legalized murder

[That's ludicrous. One party in a murder doesn't consent! Both parties to a same sex marriage do. What is so difficult about that?]

Oh, and "consent" is an arbitrary value, which has no objective basis whatsoever in secularism. You are discriminating against those people who desire to have a loving relationship with someone else who does not consent, or even a child who does! And any age limitation on consent is arbitrary under your view as well.

WorldGoneCrazy, Christiannews.net 19 Comments [5/2/2015 3:36:50 AM]
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No. No. I'm fucking done. If these people can't understand informed consent, I don't see how we can fix the problem.

5/2/2015 3:46:51 AM

Goomy pls

Having a relationship without consent, however, discriminates against the non-consensual party.

This argument is stupid and you are stupid for arguing it without sarcasm.

5/2/2015 4:36:12 AM


You can't have a loving relationship with someone who doesn't consent. Because if you loved them then you wouldn't want to be in a relationship they didn't consent too. And the thing is that a child cannot consent (because they lack the mental capability to make that decision) so they don't give consent even if they appear too, so again if you truly loved them you'd understand that.

And yes the age limitation is arbitrary which is why it varies between states and purposes (military service, drinking , sex, marriage) but that's because its not even remotely plausible to define some sort of system that would determine when a person was mentally and physically prepared for those acts which wouldn't be highly inefficient and almost certainly a grave breach of privacy to boot so we make do with an imperfect approximation as a substitute.

5/2/2015 4:52:42 AM


Yeah I'm discriminating agianst rape. Why are you defending rape.

5/2/2015 5:04:12 AM


"You are discriminating against those people who desire to have a loving relationship with someone else who does not consent, or even a child who does!"

Yes. Yes we are. You can call that "discrimination" if you want, but it doesn't matter. It is well-justified discrimination, objectively well-justified.

5/2/2015 6:23:38 AM

Nomen Nescio

i keep saying these guys genuinely and fundamentally can't understand what consent means, and folks seem to think i'm joking or exaggerating somehow. i only wish i were. i dunno just why it is; my best guess is they're so totally locked into a hierarchical, authority-worshipping worldview that they can't imagine human relationships NOT based on giving or taking orders.

5/2/2015 6:44:29 AM


Are you retarded?

5/2/2015 8:38:36 AM


How is it arbitrary? Are you projecting?

5/2/2015 9:44:35 AM

Simply because the age of consent is to some extent arbitrary doesn't mean that the distinction doesn't exist, or isn't necessary.

5/2/2015 9:46:23 AM

Yossarian Lives

"Yes" and "no" must be hard concepts for someone of your mental capacity to understand. At your next buffet party when someone says that they don't want any more quiche it must be turmoil in your brain trying to decipher what they truly desire.

5/2/2015 10:47:38 AM


"Consent" is not a value at all. It is an action. It is language. It is Yes or No. That's a pretty solid objective position. A "loving relationship" must always be a two-way street. No consent from the other party is what we call rape.

5/2/2015 11:22:11 AM

Doubting Thomas

Why do I get the idea he thinks "consent" meaning "doing anything I agree with?"

5/2/2015 2:36:19 PM


Consent is a seriously easy concept to understand.
multiplication maths is harder.

"Oh, and "consent" is an arbitrary value, which has no objective basis whatsoever in secularism."
so your saying only christians can have consent or not because they have morally based lives in god? do you realize how fucking nuts and stupid you sound? everyone capable of thinking and understanding sex can give consent, which is why children can't give it. If someone doesn't consent, then no sex occurs. really really really fucking simple.

5/2/2015 3:02:08 PM

Hasan Prishtina

Of course fundies don't understand consent. Understanding consent would mean that they would have to accept that other people's beliefs and values are legitimately held and that fundies do not have the right to impose their views on others.

5/2/2015 3:27:31 PM


Clearly the world ain't the one that went crazy in this scenario.

5/2/2015 3:53:08 PM


You don't understand consent

5/2/2015 3:56:36 PM

Old Viking

WorldGone Crazy planned to attend college until he found out that masticating in the cafeteria was a daily event.

5/2/2015 3:58:07 PM

Goomy pls

@Old Viking

How do you come to these jokes anyway?

5/2/2015 7:25:43 PM


Dude, have you been eating paint chips?

5/3/2015 5:21:01 PM

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