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In the Christian faith it isn't an opinion it is a fact. You choose whether you go to heaven or hell.
As I know of no other heaven or hell choices then the facts show the belief is based on the choice of the individual.
FULL STOP and not an opinion.

Sassy, Religion and Ethics 17 Comments [3/28/2016 2:52:46 AM]
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creativerealms

It's as much a choice as someone pointing a gun at you and asking you to hand over your wallet. Sure you could choose not to hand it over but it's still not a choice.

3/28/2016 6:24:36 AM



*SIGH* Not this crap again...

Okay, I'll humour you. God created the universe, correct? And that includes heaven and hell, correct? God created the criteria by which one goes to hell, correct? And god is the one who enforces those criteria, correct? So, ultimatly, god is the one who choose who goes to hell, not us, is it not?

So, yeah, nobody "chooses" to go to hell. It's just god who gives us the sadistic choice of "WORSHIP ME OR SUFFER FOREVER!!!"

3/28/2016 6:47:12 AM

Swede

Most religions have some form of what Christians call heaven and hell. If you obey the deity as a good little sheep, you'll be rewarded, and if you don't you'll be punished. What the consequences to your action are, on the world here and now, is of no importance in religion. It's just the choice of obeying or not. Oh, and the choice of which deity to obey, of course, as they all seem to want slightly different things...

No full stop and all just opinions, in other words.

3/28/2016 6:47:22 AM

Doubting Thomas

Except that the choice is by someone saying "follow all my rules or else!" A choice made under duress is not a free choice.

But it's not like Heaven or Hell actually exist anyway.

3/28/2016 7:50:10 AM

Mister Spak

In the Muslim faith it isn't an opinion it is a fact. You choose whether you go to heaven or hell.
As I know of no other heaven or hell choices then the facts show the belief is based on the choice of the individual.
FULL STOP and not an opinion.

Fixed by changing one word.

3/28/2016 9:06:51 AM

Kanna

".....and that's my opinion, so there!!"

Those other choices that you haven't considered include that their is neither heaven nor hell, so don't hope for one imaginary place and fear the other. Grow up instead.

3/28/2016 9:22:01 AM

Don

Both heaven and hell are pretty poorly defined in the Abrahamic religions. Is heaven "the bosom of Abraham" as jews say? A place with pearly gates like christian tradition says? Is hell just separation from god, or is it a place of eternal torment? Is it the place where jesus went after he died but before he rose again, or is it just the grave as the OT says?

Define your terms.

3/28/2016 10:09:37 AM

Bashibozkedi

@ Kanna

There are further options too:eg:

1) There is Heaven but no Hell

2) This is Hell. We are already in it.(possible)

3) This is Heaven ( unlikely IMO if you see what's going on in around us )

4) Both Heaven and Hell are inside us.

5) We may or may not have a choice about any of the above options or combinations thereof.

Not saying I believe any of the above, but I've met people who do.

3/28/2016 10:49:59 AM

Philbert McAdamia

2 Bashibozkedi
2) This is Hell. We are already in it.(possible)

I have long suspected this one may be some other planet's hell.

3/28/2016 11:07:23 AM

Sweetride

Find a new god or no god at all.

3/28/2016 11:30:10 AM

Anon-e-moose

Jonathan Edwards.

Can you say 'OSAS'? I know you can, Sissy.

You're not him. Therefore no subjective 'opinion' allowed.

3/28/2016 12:06:18 PM

Bill

"FULL STOP and not an opinion."

You seem to think very highly of your own intellect, and don't bother saying it's "god"'s, if you correctly chose what to believe in then you must have some reason to do so, right?

3/28/2016 12:14:24 PM

Mathius_dragoon

Ok, so within your faith it's a fact. Outside of it, not so much.

3/28/2016 12:50:15 PM

freako104

Your facts aren't true. They're just opinions not facts

3/28/2016 2:44:11 PM

Old Viking

Sassy, you're awfully cranky today.

3/28/2016 4:04:47 PM



If I choose then there is no need for the whole Christian judgment bullshit. Also what about other beliefs? They say same as yours

3/10/2017 5:59:50 AM

Anon-e-moose


3/10/2017 8:10:40 AM

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