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God hardened Pharaoh's heart. Is that right?

Romans 9:17-18

(Romans 9:17-18) - "For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth." 18So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires."

Romans 9:9-23 is some of the most controversial scripture in the Bible. When reading through it, one quickly finds the sovereignty of God in distinction to the free will of man. What is going on?

Basically, God has the right to do with His creation as He wills. We see from the Word that God is in control, "For truly in this city there were gathered together against Thy holy servant Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28 to do whatever Thy hand and Thy purpose predestined to occur," (Acts 4:27-28). In other words, God is in control. God can also move peoples' hearts (Prov. 21:1) and directs history to where He wants it to go.

God raised up Pharaoh for a purpose: to demonstrate His power. How was this done? It was done by working miracles through Moses and delivering the Israelites. Does God have the right and ability to harden whom He desires in the process of accomplish His will? Absolutely for that is what it says in 9:18. Does this make God wrong in anyway? Not at all. God can do no wrong. Pharaoh was a sinner who deserved the righteous judgment of God. Some say that God simply strengthened Pharaoh's heart towards its natural tendency. Others maintain that God actively hardened his the heart. Whichever the case, Pharaoh rejected the true and living God and God used him for His own purpose.

matt slick, carm.org 20 Comments [3/31/2016 3:38:02 AM]
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Distind

That or it was a handy excuse as to why Pharaoh didn't release them despite being told it was totally god's will.

3/31/2016 3:37:57 AM

Tempus

So, God forced a man to do evil so that he would be able to punish that man for doing the evil he was forced to do.

Okay.


3/31/2016 3:42:03 AM

qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm

Matt Slick and Anna Diehl must be the same person.

3/31/2016 3:58:53 AM

Kuno

So basically you are saying that your god is a total dick. Got it.

3/31/2016 4:31:06 AM

Sweetride

qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm
Maybe they're related.

3/31/2016 4:34:18 AM

Mister Spak

"Does God have the right and ability to harden whom He desires in the process of accomplish His will? Absolutely for that is what it says in 9:18. Does this make God wrong in anyway? Not at all. God can do no wrong."

SO when Allah hardens your heart against Islam so he can demonstrate his power by destroying you it's perfectly OK?

3/31/2016 5:08:53 AM

Malingspann

"God can do no wrong."

- Does He exist the same way I exist?

- You don't exist.

3/31/2016 6:20:56 AM

Mathius_dragoon

So God can do whatever he wants and free will is meaningless. Got it.

3/31/2016 8:15:18 AM

Ibuki Mioda



But how can God do no wrong if you just specifically said that he pretty much set up Pharaoh to be evil in order to give him a reason to rain plagues on his people? That sounds pretty wrong to Ibuki.

3/31/2016 10:33:59 AM

Sasha

This story was one of the key reasons I lost my Christian faith. Even as a child, I couldn't get over how unfairly Pharaoh was treated.

3/31/2016 11:27:18 AM

Stronius

Everyone, shhhh. Stay quiet and be very still: Right here, we have found an example of doublethink, right here in the wild! If we're careful, we can catch it before it runs away and flings logical fallacies at us.

3/31/2016 11:27:32 AM

Old Viking

What matt is suggesting is, morality is relative. The morality of a particular act is contingent upon the agent committing the act. Right, matt?

3/31/2016 4:46:27 PM

the god of Isreal

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Qaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in guerrilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

3/31/2016 5:08:48 PM

werewolf

Dear Matt,
Are you as big a dick as your god?

3/31/2016 7:18:32 PM

Nemo

@Malingspann,

Presuppositionalists in general look like something out of 1984. Matt Slick puts the entire Ministry of Love to shame.

3/31/2016 9:00:00 PM

Philbert McAdamia

God has the right to do with His creation as He wills.

Oh, so it's just Gawd that has this "free will", and not us miserable sinners, after all.
What a cool religion...may I join?


@ qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm
Matt Slick and Anna Diehl must be the same person.
& Sweetride
Maybe they're related.

I was just wondering, myself, how long they've been married.

3/31/2016 9:10:07 PM

NonProphet

Bordering on Anna Diehl, here. "God is a sadistic puppetmaster, yay!"

4/1/2016 5:23:09 AM



What about free will? Without it, it doesn't make any fucking sense

4/1/2016 9:27:05 AM

Pharaoh Bastethotep

Does this idiot really think that "Pharaoh" was that Pharaoh's name? There were hundreds of Pharaohs in the three thousand years of history of the Two Lands, you stupid super-simpleton!

10/13/2016 1:57:49 PM

Anon-e-moose

"God hardened Pharaoh's heart."

Maud Pie: 'Well that's what happens when a deity takes a human for granite.'


10/13/2016 2:27:20 PM

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