Quote# 37813

We have never and will never advocate the establishment of a state religion. The founders of this nation specifically wanted America to be free of the problems of state religions and the ludicrous notion of the "divine right of kings." Instead they desired to establish a nation "under God" in which the rights of man were understood to come from divine inspiration instead of an all powerful and intrusive government that could revoke those rights at any time it wished.

[Emphasis my own.]

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freako104

The under god crap kind of implies a religion

4/18/2008 1:13:20 AM

WMDKitty

Except that to establish a nation "under God" *is* instituting a state religion...

4/18/2008 1:13:37 AM

Antichrist

under god didn't show up until the 50's

Before that it was "One nation, indivisible", but I'm sure you've been told that at least 100 times.

4/18/2008 1:18:04 AM

Marrik

why is this quote here?

he didnt really say anything stupid, thats basically correct.


the definition of a god is "that which is worshipped". that could be anything, it could be a god in the traditional sense, or it could be money, or sex, or yourself, or whatever else you want it to be.


its one nation under whatever it is that you "worship". and here, you have the freedom to pursue whatever that is.





or maybe im just reading way too much into that. either way, i really dont care about that, anymore than i care that the money in my wallet says "in God we trust"

4/18/2008 1:18:49 AM

Allegory for Jesus

So...no state religion, as long as the government is generically Christian? I'm sure the Founding Fathers would be proud [/sarcasm]

4/18/2008 1:19:43 AM

MK

If you were to say it's "one nation under Allah" this guy would have a conniption fit. But Allah of course is simply the Muslim equivalent of "God", and is just as much a non-name as God is. Yet using "Allah" actually implies all of the Muslim beliefs about the supreme deity, just as much as using "God" implies all of the Christian beliefs about the supreme deity, as "Yahweh" implies of the Jewish beliefs about the supreme deity.

So, Marrik, the use of "God" is not an innocuous and loosely defined concept that can mean anything you want it to mean. It very specifically means the Christian God.

4/18/2008 1:26:15 AM

tmr

Close, but you don't quite get it.

4/18/2008 1:39:27 AM

Mike

The pot wants to know why you called it black.

4/18/2008 1:53:18 AM

cyborgtroy

Well, they're good rights, and they might be divinely inspired, but we don't have to buy into your religion just to get the morality.

4/18/2008 1:59:02 AM

Old Viking

Yeah, they just overlooked putting that "under God" bit in the Constitution. And they secured our rights by fighting the British. Divine inspiration my ass.

4/18/2008 2:15:12 AM

Nowonmai

Nice try, but no. You can twist the words, out of context, all you want to try to make them say and you are still a liar.

There was a time the motto was E Pluribus Enum, but a bunch of tard wanted that changed to pretend the US was a Xtian nation. Just like the "Under God" being put in the pledge of allegiance to smoke out "Those commie bastards". Waste of time and effort.

4/18/2008 2:24:09 AM

Osiris

No our government was based on the idea that the smaller the government the more freedom people had, and that people should decide who their leaders and policy maker should be, and finally that the church and state can only function as sepreate entities. They brought all these ideas together and called it The Constitution. Read it sometime.

4/18/2008 2:28:53 AM

Zipperback

Marrik: you have to really stretch the definition of God or worship for you to even remotely make sense. I'm talking Mr. Fantastic chewing bubble gum stretch.

The possibility that it could LEGALLY mean one nation under money, sex or (best of all) MYSELF would turn the entire phrase into an absurdist non-sequitur.

4/18/2008 3:43:29 AM

werewolf

Not only totally wrong but totally stupid as well.

The phrase "under god" didn't make it into popular culture until the McCarthy era. It was a CYA for the less than honorable politician.

4/18/2008 3:52:53 AM

nfp

When the matter of your first two sentences collided with the anti-matter fail of your third sentence, the whole weak little proposition evaporated into thin air.

Now, do I really have to say it?

Of course--EXPELLED!!!!eleventy-onE!

4/18/2008 4:03:36 AM

484

It isn't particularly fundie

4/18/2008 4:58:27 AM

toothache

Doublethink - washes your brain naturally.

4/18/2008 7:54:17 AM

anevilmeme

Amazing how Christianity, Jesus & the Bible aren't mentioned in the Constitution.

4/18/2008 10:16:13 AM

KaylaKaze

Marrik needs a new dictionary.

4/18/2008 11:03:50 AM

Mister Spak

"We have never and will never advocate the establishment of a state religion. "

"establish a nation "under God""

Which god is that? The catholic god? The southern baptist god? The mormon god? The sunni god? The shiite god?

Are you starting to understand the problem?

4/18/2008 11:39:15 AM

F

On seeing "In God We Trust USA" the Dead Kennedys album "In God We Trust Inc." comes to mind for some reason.

4/18/2008 11:42:37 AM

David B.

"The founders of this nation [...] desired to establish a nation "under God""

America was only established in the 50s? Dude, you owe the UK 200 years of tea tax!

4/18/2008 11:50:56 AM

Blayze Kohime

First to sentences are spot on. How does that logic move to the third sentence when "under God" didn't even appear in our pledge until they were all dead?

4/18/2008 12:18:40 PM



Special offer today:
Two for the price of one. Anachronism with historical revision plus contradiction in one post.

4/18/2008 3:19:03 PM

Delmania

"Under God" was added during the Red Scare.

4/18/2008 5:53:11 PM

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